What size gooseneck trailer?

[sd455dan]

Its an auto and 4X4 but i'm not sure what transmission it has in it, I dont believe its the same trans as was in my 1998 Z71 though. I interpreted the Motor Trend article to mean that all 2500 HD's had the Allison trans. But that may just be wishful thinking, Diamondpilot may be 100% correct. Im not sure how to look and tell. It does have a working trans. temp gauge in the dash. Maybe someone knows what part code the Allison is and i can look it up on the Service parts id sticker on the glove box?

sd455dan it seems awfully low geared to me but again thats coming from a 1/2 ton Z71 with a 3.73.

I was referring to the transmissions first gear, a 2.48 is relatively high in comparison to say a 6.00+ (granny) 1st gear.
Your rear axle gear (4.11) is the gear you want, to maximize your towing capability.. Also the fact that your truck is so light is also a good thing, it means there is more of what is left of the 9200lbs. gvwr that can be placed on the pin of your goose neck... also after re reading one of your posts that you already have the factory temp gauge that makes me think your truck may also have the extra cooler for the transmission already installed -I would look and see...

 

[Soundguy]

There is no way its that light. I had a 05 crew cab long bed Dmax. It was 7300#.

Stop speculating and go to a truck stop and weigh it with you in it and at least a 1/2 tank of gas. Its a good $5 spent. Then you will know for sure.

Chris

cab and chassis maybee?

 

[Diamondpilot]

cab and chassis maybee?

Even at that 4 of us lifted off a Chevy bed on a 1500 to do some fuel and brake line work. Not much difference. I bet it was not 600#. It was my neighbor, his wife, me, and my misses.

Chris

 

[Reg]

How many more times ?
What Diamondpilot (Chris) keeps saying.
Stop speculating, spend a few (VERY few) bux and get the darned thing WEIGHED !
Since weighing mine as a chassis cab when it was "NEW AND NAKED" I have added an aluminum flat bed, also an underbed tool box and chucked a spare wheel on it.
Not much here, not much there, though the tools IN the box probably add up to a bit and altogether it is something significant.
Ya need to know ALL the weight; people, gas, tools, spare wheel, jack, whatever all else - toll quarters in the center console, etc. (-:

BTW, 3 of us (none of us "Beefy") cut a police paddy wagon box off a 1 ton and lifted it - I was already OLD at that time and it certainly outweighed a pick-up tin bed.

 

[Chickengrower]

Took Diamondpilots advice and weighed it today. 6200 lbs on the dot. Thats counting me, tool box, step bars, grill guard and right at 17-18 gallons of gas.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Took Diamondpilots advice and weighed it today. 6200 lbs on the dot. Thats counting me, tool box, step bars, grill guard and right at 17-18 gallons of gas.

So here are the numbers. Your max GCWR is 16,000#. Your max GVWR is 9,200# We now know your truck weighs 6,200#

So lets look at the GVWR. 9,200# minus the 6,200# the truck weighs leaves you a honest 3,000# of payload. That's good for a 3/4 ton truck.

Now lets look at the GCWR. 16,000# minus the 6,200# your truck weighs leaves you with a actual tow rating of 9,800#. Not very good.

You need more truck!

Chris

 

[sd455dan]

Took Diamondpilots advice and weighed it today. 6200 lbs on the dot. Thats counting me, tool box, step bars, grill guard and right at 17-18 gallons of gas.

Are you sure your tractor weighs what you thought, what brand and model ,tires filled,loader?? just to be sure it is that heavy, I'm guessing at least 75 HP ag 4x4 tractor and loader??

 

[Chickengrower]

Are you sure your tractor weighs what you thought, what brand and model ,tires filled,loader?? just to be sure it is that heavy, I'm guessing at least 75 HP ag 4x4 tractor and loader??

I'm not sure exactly what it will weigh, I haven't actually bought it yet but the one I've been thinking about getting is a heavy brute. 5085M John Deere with ROPS. Its 70 pto hp and 4x4. The brochure says its 7600 lbs without loader or filled tires. It will have the 19.5L - 24 rear tires and im not sure how much fluid they will hold but I was just guessing 300-400 lbs for each tire and then say 1600 lb for the loader/bucket and i'd be at 10K. Its the heaviest one i've looked so far by at least 1000 lbs.

 

[sd455dan]

I'm not sure exactly what it will weigh, I haven't actually bought it yet but the one I've been thinking about getting is a heavy brute. 5085M John Deere with ROPS. Its 70 pto hp and 4x4. The brochure says its 7600 lbs without loader or filled tires. It will have the 19.5L - 24 rear tires and im not sure how much fluid they will hold but I was just guessing 300-400 lbs for each tire and then say 1600 lb for the loader/bucket and i'd be at 10K. Its the heaviest one i've looked so far by at least 1000 lbs.

Wow- that's similar to what I was considering at one time Only your looking at new -a JD 5420 with the Hd Quick attach loader, I'm sure those #s are dead on and the fluid (beet juice?) not real sure either but probably every bit of that , but guessing the loader weight sounds about right to, and not sure if that's a structural, not operational weight (diesel, 8+ gallons of hydraulic fluid,engine oil) The tractor /loader could be heavier and then if you're like me and you want to brush cut a field and you leave it on the tractor depending on how heavy duty and width or even a tiller add another 1200lbs. Sounds like Diamond Pilot is right about needing more truck.
In your GMs 6.0 favor- the Diesel, Allison equipped 2500 HD truck is only rated for 1500lbs. more when a standard pull behind trailer is used, when switched to a gooseneck or 5th wheel it it jumps jumps up to 15,900 towing capacity, I still wonder if there is a 5th wheel rating for your 6.0 equipped truck, I'm sure it isn't 15,900 but 13,500 would not surprise me. One other thing The 2001 2500 HD diesel Allison trucks should have a sticker that states a GCWR of 22-23,000 lbs, not 18-19,000lbs. I would like to see that sticker.. Since you haven't purchased the tractor yet the weight question is moot .but if you do buy that model, a heavier duty truck would be the best option- just my 02 cents You will want to carry the three point implements on the tractor...

 

[Diamondpilot]

Wow- that's similar to what I was considering at one time Only your looking at new -a JD 5420 with the Hd Quick attach loader, I'm sure those #s are dead on and the fluid (beet juice?) not real sure either but probably every bit of that , but guessing the loader weight sounds about right to, and not sure if that's a structural, not operational weight (diesel, 8+ gallons of hydraulic fluid,engine oil) The tractor /loader could be heavier and then if you're like me and you want to brush cut a field and you leave it on the tractor depending on how heavy duty and width or even a tiller add another 1200lbs. Sounds like Diamond Pilot is right about needing more truck.
In your GMs 6.0 favor- the Diesel, Allison equipped 2500 HD truck is only rated for 1500lbs. more when a standard pull behind trailer is used, when switched to a gooseneck or 5th wheel it it jumps jumps up to 15,900 towing capacity, I still wonder if there is a 5th wheel rating for your 6.0 equipped truck, I'm sure it isn't 15,900 but 13,500 would not surprise me. One other thing The 2001 2500 HD diesel Allison trucks should have a sticker that states a GCWR of 22-23,000 lbs, not 18-19,000lbs. I would like to see that sticker.. Since you haven't purchased the tractor yet the weight question is moot .but if you do buy that model, a heavier duty truck would be the best option- just my 02 cents You will want to carry the three point implements on the tractor...

No matter what his tow rating is 9800# now. That is the problem with gas HD trucks. Many times the 1/2 tons of the same brand can tow slightly more but have less payload.

Like I said, you need more truck or less tractor.

Chris

 

[RedNeckRacin]

You might want to rethink that tire weight to, I have 16.9-24 on my 5083E and it figures at over 800lb per tire with rim guard.

I used to pull my E around with my one ton and it was not enough truck with a SRW. I upgraded to a international 4700 lp and i forget its back there until i hit a hill Suprisingly the medium duty trucks are alot cheaper that what you think they would be. Sure they are not luxurious, but the are built to do work and do it safely day in and day out. I think its overkill in your case, but since we are spending your money its ok!

 

[Chickengrower]

You will want to carry the three point implements on the tractor...

I've just been thinking about tractor weight but you're right on about that, sd455dan.

 

[Chickengrower]

So here are the numbers. Your max GCWR is 16,000#.
Chris

Hey diamondpilot I've looked all thru the manual and on the door sticker and have yet to find a GCWR. Can you post a link so I find the GCWR of my truck and, for that matter, for other makes and models besides mine. I'm not trying to be difficult here, just would like to do some comparisons.

 

[Chickengrower]

You might want to rethink that tire weight to, I have 16.9-24 on my 5083E and it figures at over 800lb per tire with rim guard.

I used to pull my E around with my one ton and it was not enough truck with a SRW. I upgraded to a international 4700 lp and i forget its back there until i hit a hill Suprisingly the medium duty trucks are alot cheaper that what you think they would be. Sure they are not luxurious, but the are built to do work and do it safely day in and day out. I think its overkill in your case, but since we are spending your money its ok!

I asked one dealer about the rim guard and he looked at me like I was from Mars, said he'd never heard of it and they aren't a small dealer. I know what you mean about the Internationals and such. I'm seeing more and more local farmers getting them to haul their cattle and hay. I've got a 98 F-800 with a 5.9 l cummins but its got a 16' litter bed and it weighs 15,000 plus.

I think I may just make a tow bar to pull my tractor with and just forget a trailer! jk

 

[Reg]

Took Diamondpilots advice and weighed it today. 6200 lbs on the dot. Thats counting me, tool box, step bars, grill guard and right at 17-18 gallons of gas.

While that APPEARS to allow you 3,000 lbs of payload you need to know
1) of that 6200 how much is on the rear axle, (wheels & tires).
2) what your rear axle and tires are rated for.

Then do the axle loading arithmetic to figure what you can put on as "pin weight".
Although it is best to have the ball ahead of the rear axle it can be hard to get it more than about 8 inches ahead, so for the purposes of figuring this out - might as well assume that ALL the pin weight is ON the rear axle.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Hey diamondpilot I've looked all thru the manual and on the door sticker and have yet to find a GCWR. Can you post a link so I find the GCWR of my truck and, for that matter, for other makes and models besides mine. I'm not trying to be difficult here, just would like to do some comparisons.

I will look. I found it by a simple hoogle search. It will only be listed in your book. Its usually in the towing or payload section.

Chris

 

[Chickengrower]

This is my first attempt at posting pics in here so hopefully they turn out.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

I asked one dealer about the rim guard and he looked at me like I was from Mars, said he'd never heard of it and they aren't a small dealer. I know what you mean about the Internationals and such. I'm seeing more and more local farmers getting them to haul their cattle and hay. I've got a 98 F-800 with a 5.9 l cummins but its got a 16' litter bed and it weighs 15,000 plus.

I think I may just make a tow bar to pull my tractor with and just forget a trailer! jk

Well some people call it beet juice as well. Its less troublesome than calcium is and its pretty heavy stuff as well. I believe it is also biodegradable so if you spring a leak its not gonna kill everything in a half mile. Just dont end up getting just enough. Because thats never enough trailer. If you have a legitimate need for every ounce of payload, your gonna be short before you know it. That F-800 would work fine aslong as you aren't worried about pulling power lines down! I bet it could pull a decent sized pintle hitch trailer as well.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Well some people call it beet juice as well. Its less troublesome than calcium is and its pretty heavy stuff as well. I believe it is also biodegradable so if you spring a leak its not gonna kill everything in a half mile. Just dont end up getting just enough. Because thats never enough trailer. If you have a legitimate need for every ounce of payload, your gonna be short before you know it. That F-800 would work fine aslong as you aren't worried about pulling power lines down! I bet it could pull a decent sized pintle hitch trailer as well.

Around here we fill our rears with Windshield Washer Fluid. I get it at a supply company for $38 per 55 gallon drum. Use my lawn sprayer and a special valve to pump it in.

Chris

 

[Soundguy]

i use rv eco safe af in mine. weak fill.. just enough to prevent a solid freeze int he 3 weeks of cold florida has..