Wide track tyre

Issues · Nov 15, 2012

Swapped the two front tyres over & changed out the centre hubs on the rear.
Makes it feel so much more stable.:thumbsup:

traktorz · Nov 16, 2012

- Agrison 50hp?

- Is that a locally disguised branding for Foton FT504?

- After the wheel swap, are the front and the rear wheels still in line with each other?

- Any concerns of a higher stress on the tractor, with the larger spacing between the wheel pairs?

Issues · Nov 18, 2012

I think it may be a BOMR make.
Yes the wheels are still in line.
No I don't have any concerns of higher stress.Giving it a wider footprint of about 150mm (6 inches) shouldn't be a concern.
I was more concerned of a roll over before.

zonta223 · Nov 18, 2012

traktorz said:
- Agrison 50hp?

- Is that a locally disguised branding for Foton FT504?

Lots of copies of the Foton's coming out of China trying to cash in on Foton's reputation.
Companies like BOMR and Luzhong even allow you to order a tractor with a "Foton" bonnet as an option hence you thinking it was a Foton.

Diamondpilot · Nov 18, 2012

I put the tires wide on my Jinma 284 about 8 years ago and over 750 hours, most of which is FEL work, and no ill effects. I make the tractor much more stable.

Chris

EE_Bota · Nov 19, 2012

Diamondpilot said:
I put the tires wide on my Jinma 284 about 8 years ago and over 750 hours, most of which is FEL work, and no ill effects. I make the tractor much more stable.

Chris

I'm going to go wide on my 304 too when I get a chance. The tractor seems somewhat narrow, and I know spreading the tires will make it solid as a rock.

Rich Waugh · Nov 19, 2012

I've had my 304 at the widest setting since I got it.

willi67 · Nov 19, 2012

Foton brand 4WD ute/pickup just went on sale in Aus, same company as the tractors I suppose. Website says that they use Cummins diesel motor
Foton Australia official website

Sorry for the off topic remark ...
Can you get rear duals for your tractor?, all the chinese machines seem to have very skinny tires

Issues · Nov 20, 2012

Skinny Tires? mmmmmmmmm
I just abandoned ship a couple of hours ago when the aforementioned skinny rear tire went airborn while carrying a concrete pipe rigged over the FEL.
Dropped the load which helped a little but still kept me in the air.Shut the engine down & put her in neutral,gently opened the upside door & jumped.
I had a large tree just in front of me so I knew there was no danger to anyone else,it hit that then all 4 were on the floor again so I unhooked & came in at a different angle.
Word of advice; If you have a 4 in 1 bucket,open it up & sling loads in close.
I've actually lifted rear tires before with loads in the bucket which prompted me to do the tire swap thing for stability.

willi67 · Nov 20, 2012

Do you have a rear counterweight and fluid in those tires ..
I have seen pics of chinese DongFeng tractors with rear duals, mite be too much stress on your machine but it may be safest option
Keep it safe .. I enjoy your posts!

zonta223 · Nov 20, 2012

Issues said:
Skinny Tires? mmmmmmmmm
I just abandoned ship a couple of hours ago when the aforementioned skinny rear tire went airborn while carrying a concrete pipe rigged over the FEL.
Dropped the load which helped a little but still kept me in the air.Shut the engine down & put her in neutral,gently opened the upside door & jumped.
I had a large tree just in front of me so I knew there was no danger to anyone else,it hit that then all 4 were on the floor again so I unhooked & came in at a different angle.
Word of advice; If you have a 4 in 1 bucket,open it up & sling loads in close.
I've actually lifted rear tires before with loads in the bucket which prompted me to do the tire swap thing for stability.

Dave have you got a counterweight hanging of the back of that thing?
Even with loaded tyres if your picking up a decent load you need a substantial counterweight of a few hundred kilo to operate safely and it helps take the strain off the front axles.
BTW how is that thing running now?

Bob Rooks · Nov 20, 2012

zonta223 said:
... and it helps take the strain off the front axles.

Beg to differ sir, with all due respect:
The front axle is the fulcrum point (as you know). Any counterweight added to the rear also adds that same amount to the front axle when lifting with the FEL.

Gary Fowler · Nov 20, 2012

Bob Rooks said:
Beg to differ sir, with all due respect:
The front axle is the fulcrum point (as you know). Any counterweight added to the rear also adds that same amount to the front axle when lifting with the FEL.

That statement is just plain dumb. Are you forgetting that you have a set of rear tires and adding weight behind the rear acts as a fulcrum helping to remove weight from the front axle. Of course if you had the power in the FEL to pick up the rear axle with the counterweight on it, you would be adding weight to the front axle, BUT, FELs dont have that much power. Putting a couple thousand pounds on the 3 PH removes that much or more weight from the front axle (front fulcrum) by applying reverse pressure to the front axle. This keeps your rear on the ground and applies some of the FEL weight to the rear axle. The further back the counterweight is from the rear axle the more effective it is which is why a 1500 lb. bushhog on the rear does more than a 1500 lb. ballast box slung between the lift arms.

Bob Rooks · Nov 20, 2012

Gary Fowler said:
That statement is just plain dumb.

With all due respect sir, I suggest you re-read your own post, and then do some geometry..

Issues · Nov 20, 2012

zonta223 said:
Dave have you got a counterweight hanging of the back of that thing?
Even with loaded tyres if your picking up a decent load you need a substantial counterweight of a few hundred kilo to operate safely and it helps take the strain off the front axles.
BTW how is that thing running now?

I took off the slasher when I did the clutch & haven't put it back on yet.Think I'll do that today before any more lifting.
New clutch install went well & seems to have done the trick so far but I think the fingers to the pto clutch are still a bit far away at max adjustment.Once I get my shed up & power to the block I'll machine up some spacers for the adjustment bolts.I'll post up some photos soon.

CharlesandMegan · Jan 7, 2013

Great idea!!! I'll be doing that to my 50hp tomorrow, thanks for the images really helps. I have counter weights at the rear and filled them with water....works really well you might want to try it.