Kioti vs Aftermarket Backhoe

[Jesse masterson]

There was no plumbing ro do on the rhino with subframe I'm not sure what you mean it can only go on one way and I have put over 300 hours on it an totally satisfied and I'm sure the kioti is a fine backhoe but the facts are the rhino has more reach

 

[Jesse masterson]

And by the way as far as digging stumps it does that fine as long as your not doing 8 or 9 a day you'll be shocked with it's capability. My bro has a duck hunting area and wanted to put in 6 new underground pits I dug all six and he has always had a full size backhoe do it he told me this rhino did the job nearly as fast if not as fast because the smaller tractor is quicker getting feon spot to spot

 

[IslandTractor]

I've been very happy with my Woods BH90x. It has a different subframe system thank the Kioti so it has a greater ground clearance and the subframe stays on the tractor so the dismounted BH is more compact. Not huge differences but points to consider. Also I have a manual thumb on mine but would advise either getting the hydraulic thumb or putting the money towards a grapple. Not a fan of manual thumbs as you need to dismount to adjust or stow them.

 

[IslandTractor]

And by the way as far as digging stumps it does that fine as long as your not doing 8 or 9 a day you'll be shocked with it's capability. My bro has a duck hunting area and wanted to put in 6 new underground pits I dug all six and he has always had a full size backhoe do it he told me this rhino did the job nearly as fast if not as fast because the smaller tractor is quicker getting feon spot to spot

Get a ripper attachment for any backhoe that will be used for significant tree or stump clearance. WAY more efficient than using a bucket and causes much less disruption of the surrounding ground.

 

[Jesse masterson]

I was considering the woods 90 when I bought mine. I liked the woods it came down to a highly scientific decision , I flipped a coin. And the rhinos subframe stays connected also but I do wish it had more g clearance

 

[Coyote machine]

I agree with your logic completely. If you like the Rhino then get it BUT carefully check the Kioti warranty restrictions regarding any aftermarket attachments and possible damage to your tractor resulting in VOIDING your tractor's warranty. It's unlikely that that would occur, but it is in the fine print of the warranty coverage, so buyer beware.
And from my POV, the Kioti backhoe will do what you need forever without straining it one bit. Other than use of my tractor(s) and hoe I have NO ties to Kioti on any level.

 

[blucoondawg]

I will double check on the warranty but the only limitations I have heard so far are that the hoe is to be subframe mounted, most companies will not warranty damage caused to the tractor by a 3pt hoe.

 

[Coyote machine]

I will double check on the warranty but the only limitations I have heard so far are that the hoe is to be subframe mounted, most companies will not warranty damage caused to the tractor by a 3pt hoe.

From Kioti's online website:" C. The General and Extended Warranties do not cover the following:"..."Damage caused by the use of any non-KIOTI front-end loader, backhoe, attachment, implement, accessory or part."

 

[blucoondawg]

Now I'm having trouble getting quotes on backhoes from any implement dealers around here, they are no longer answering my emails, probably they are p***ed off at me for saying I am wanting to buy a Kioti rather than their brands which I got quotes on earlier. A JD dealer is listed as a dealer of Rhino backhoes but they claim their backhoes only fit their tractors which is complete bull.

 

[blucoondawg]

From Kioti's online website:" C. The General and Extended Warranties do not cover the following:"..."Damage caused by the use of any non-KIOTI front-end loader, backhoe, attachment, implement, accessory or part."

Huh, oh well I will still look into other brands, I'm sure I wouldn't break anything while it is still under warranty anyways, that wouldn't be my kind of luck, it would be the day after the warranty expires and boom, catastrophic failure, lol.

 

[Coyote machine]

Huh, oh well I will still look into other brands, I'm sure I wouldn't break anything while it is still under warranty anyways, that wouldn't be my kind of luck, it would be the day after the warranty expires and boom, catastrophic failure, lol.

Remember the warranty on drivetrain is four years on Kioti, no hour limit.
Personally, I wouldn't want to void it for a different hoe brand.

 

[blucoondawg]

Remember the warranty on drivetrain is four years on Kioti, no hour limit.
Personally, I wouldn't want to void it for a different hoe brand.

I'm not sure a backhoe could void your warranty all together, from what I have been told by other dealers and how it is worded in the wording you posted it says damage caused by backhoes or loaders of different brand, it doesn't say if you have different brands it will void your entire warranty, though that is something to ask about. I can't see a backhoe causing damage to a drivetrain, at least not if used properly.

 

[blucoondawg]

Remember the warranty on drivetrain is four years on Kioti, no hour limit.
Personally, I wouldn't want to void it for a different hoe brand.

That wording also mentions non Kioti implements, I highly doubt if you buy a King Cutter or any other such implement like a roto tiller that isn't Kioti that they would void the warranty on the whole tractor, I would say only void damage which was caused by that implement.

 

[Jesse masterson]

I don't think legally speaking that would stand in court I can say I'm not responsible for tearing your car up but in court that could be a different story

 

[Coyote machine]

That wording also mentions non Kioti implements, I highly doubt if you buy a King Cutter or any other such implement like a roto tiller that isn't Kioti that they would void the warranty on the whole tractor, I would say only void damage which was caused by that implement.

Humm, sounds like you may be right.... Can't say for sure but beware of pitfalls, good luck.

 

[blucoondawg]

I don't think legally speaking that would stand in court I can say I'm not responsible for tearing your car up but in court that could be a different story

What are you saying that using aftermarket 3point implements could void your tractor warranty? Or that it probably wouldn't? I'd say if that voids your warranty than pretty much everyone who owns a tractor has a void warranty because I don't know of anyone who buys only brand name implements, I'm sure some do, but that would have to get expensive I'd think.

 

[Jesse masterson]

Sorry I wasn't clear I was saying the tractor company can say there not going to fox it because there not responsible but that dosemt male it so

 

[blucoondawg]

In emailing the representative from Woods he has assured me that Woods will warranty the hoe and the tractor it is on as long as it is properly installed and used for applications for which it is intended, whatever that means. So if the tractor company won't warranty damage from a aftermarket hoe, apparently the hoe company will in some cases.

 

[Coyote machine]

In emailing the representative from Woods he has assured me that Woods will warranty the hoe and the tractor it is on as long as it is properly installed and used for applications for which it is intended, whatever that means. So if the tractor company won't warranty damage from a aftermarket hoe, apparently the hoe company will in some cases.

Unless its written into their warranty document they can tell you to pound salt- not saying they will, but most warranties exclude any agreement outside the actual document whether written or spoken.

Earlier I was probably incorrect in saying that Kioti might void your warranty for using an aftermarket implement. What I should have said is they could deny coverage for damage caused to your tractor as a result of a non-Kioti impliment.

 

[IslandTractor]

Unless its written into their warranty document they can tell you to pound salt- not saying they will, but most warranties exclude any agreement outside the actual document whether written or spoken.

Earlier I was probably incorrect in saying that Kioti might void your warranty for using an aftermarket implement. What I should have said is they could deny coverage for damage caused to your tractor as a result of a non-Kioti impliment.

1) with a Woods subframe it is very unlikely you will damage your tractor simply as a result of using the BH. In other words, the Woods engineers are not idiots and have designed an appropriate system to stabilize the BH and protect the tractor. They have been doing this for a while and are still in business with an excellent reputation.

2) Woods has to agree to any "gap" warranty in order to sell their BHs. They are not faking that. The company couldn't sell against OEM BHs if they did not do this.

3) The biggest risk is not Woods or Kioti but rather that the dealer's mechanic does something wrong installing the device. That is the only area of possible confusion as there are now three parties (dealer, Woods, Kioti) angling for who pays what. If it is just dealer vs Kioti, well you can imagine how that would work out. Still, it would be in the interests of all three to resolve a warranty claim and to date I don't recall hearing of anyone who got screwed because they had a non Kioti backhoe.