Kubota B3300SU OR Kioti DS4510/CK35?

[KoolKiwi]

Greetings my fine fellow tractor owners,

My first post here...so be gentle

I currently have an Eastwind Branded Chinese tractor (Dongfeng) - 25Hp, 4:1 bucket and LW6 backhoe. I'm in the process of upgrading to something with more HP so it's easier on the tractor running a rotary hoe.

I have been looking at 3 brands - Kioti, Kubota, TYM. I have dismissed the TYM brand for several reasons - namely poor trade-in price, lots of plastic, unknown resale value and brand commitment? Fewer dealers. (Looks like a nice tractor though - and they didn't have the model I wanted in stock - T353HST)

Kioti is a fantastic tractor. I have dismissed the DS3510 (too small in the operator area and has a small bucket. I didn't like the control placement)

Yesterday I looked at a DS4510. Wow...what a lot of tractor for the money. It's bigger than I need or probably want, but I can see the benefits. It drives nicely, has a great operator area and the salesman sells heaps of them (compared to the DS3510), so better resale. The loader has a wicked rating and it has a huge bucket. I'd like to see and drive a CK35HST (they don't have one in stock)

I've also looked at a Kubota B3300SU. What a neat little tractor. It's the only HST I've driven and I can see the benefits of it doing slashing and FEL work. I worry about longevity, and the price of fuel being run at full noise all the time. It's also very light compared to the Kioti's. It doesn't come with a cruise control, but they said they would fit one free of charge (mechanical). It comes with either Ag tyres or Turf's. I like the turfs, but worry about traction. I had a smile on my face all the time I was driving it. Even my wife thought it was kool!

We have 6 acres. We are converting it from paddocks into garden. I'm currently doing lots of rotary hoe and FEL work, but this will fall off as what get it planted. I also use a 6' rear blade a lot for contouring. The turf's will be great once it's a completed garden

I am still waiting on an appraisal from Kubota (Next week hopefully), so their deal is unknown at present.

The DS4510 is at a great price for the tractor (on Ag Tyres). The CK35HST (on Ag's) is only $1000 more, but an extra $2900 approx for turfs or Industrials. Eek!!

So...who has driven both the DS4510 and the CK35HST? Will I like the HST better than manual?? What problems are there? What are the extension arms on the CK35?

A lot have said the dealer will make the difference. I don't know either of them. I service my own tractor and brought it 2nd hand (1st one). The Kubota dealer is 35mins away, the Kioti only 15mins away). The Kioti dealers service charge is very high compared to Kubota. The B3300 has only about 14 litres of oil in the trans - less then half the Kioti, so cheaper to service, but it requires service every 200 hours compared to 250 hours. It is a budget tractor so is limited in features. (Mid PTO is an option)

The Kubota would suit us better once the garden is complete, the Kioti better while doing it. The Kioti will damage the lawn, is much bigger and will probably end up being more expensive - especially with Ind/Turfs. It'll cost more to service.

The B3300SU is the only Kubota I've looked at - all the rest are too expensive (like $40K+) We have limited models here in New Zealand. The Kioti also have only a few models. CK22HST (too small I think), CK35HST, DS35/4510. The only DK model is the DK551 - too much money. 45Hp is the biggest I would go. Here is the range hereProducts | Kioti Daedong Tractors | Brought to you by Power Farming

Hope the post isn't too long. Tired to give us much info as possible. Really appreciate the input, as I've probably forgotten something. :thumbsup:

 

[Gittyup]

If u like the b3300 u will love the ck35 HST.

 

[k0ua]

I can help only a little:

Will I like the HST better than manual?? What problems are there? What are the extension arms on the CK35?

Yes you will love the HST. Best for anything you have to do where you need more control or slow speed and repetitive tasks like loader work.
There are no real problems with hydrostat, Some make a little whining noise when worked hard, they produce a little extra heat, and they are worth every penny spent..

The telescoping lower lower links and anti-sway bars make hookup on the 3pt so much easier. Just back up close, to the pins and get off and press down on the latch's, extend the arms by hand and remove the sway bars pins so that you can swing the arms wide over the drawpins on the implement. Once the balls are slipped over the pins, move the tractor slightly in reverse and listen for the "click click" of the lower links automatically latching back in. Set your sway bars by finding an appropriate hole for the retainer pins on each side and putting on your top link and adjusting your implement as you desire.

James K0UA

 

[DK35vince]

Will I like the HST better than manual?

Depends on the operator.
Many here prefer the HST.
I've used a freinds DK 35 HST several times.
The HST is nice and really easy to use, but I can't say I liked it better than the shuttle shift on my DK 35.

 

[KoolKiwi]

If u like the b3300 u will love the ck35 HST.

Yeah...it's also the most expensive of the three. :laughing:

James - Thx for the input of the telescoping arms. I added some aftermarket doodahs' to my DF254 that make it a QuickHitch - back straight up under the lower pins and lift and they spring-load clip on. Get off and do the top link only. All that stuff on the CK35HST sure looks good though.

I wasn't prepared for the noise the HST makes. I always wear grade5 earmuffs when I work, but didn't have them for the dealer. They sure do whine. I also noticed some surging, but that could be operator error

DK35vince - The DS4510 has a Shuttle shift. It was very nice after a straight manual trans. I could definitely live with it. Constant mesh wasn't as good as I thought though - the brochure wrongly states it's syncro, but that's the HS model. I like the layout of the DS4510 as well - very easy to use.

I did like the ease of use with the Kubota - slam on some throttle and away you go. Going full noise all the time is something I'm not used to. Guess you have to keep up the hyd. pressure. I rarely go over 1800rpm on my DF254.

Does anyone know if the Cruise Control on the CK35HST works in reverse? The TYM tractor has a push button for the cruise - worked in both directions. It's the only thing I would've like from that particular machine.

The Kioti dealer won't like me asking him to get a CK35HST in just to test drive - already thinks I'm an old-woman (no offence to old women intended from me ) The closet one is 6 hours away by car - too far to go and see. I'll wait and see what Kubota have as a deal before I press that drama.

I have heard that Kubota likes to shaft you for spare parts?? Kioti could be the same for all I know :confused2:

Do you think turfs would have enough traction? Everyone seems to have Ag tyres here. The TYM came stock with Industrials, and the Kubota had either Ag's or Turfs for the same price. Sure wish I could test some Turfs in a real situation. I've got Ag's on my tractor - sure can make a mess at times. (Update: Just read a 1000 posts about tyres. Lots of opinions!! I think turfs will get the job done. Ideal would be some Ag's and a set of turfs on rims as well. Sounds expensive!)
Thx

 

[namesray]

hello and welcome to tbn. i am a kubota owner, but will try not to sway you just to kubota. i own a b7800. very simular tractor to the b3300su. i use mine in my small business (firewood/landscaping). mine has just about 900 hours on it and still going very strong (put over 300 hours just last year). have had only couple minor problems along the way (ex: cracked tube 3ph line= my fault;fixed under warrenty, leaky control valve=my fault;fixed under warrenty). i was ramming a bit too much with it when i had these problems.

i don't know much about kioti's, but what little i have looked at, they do look like very nice tractors, even a bit more tractor for the money compared to kubota. but i don't know what brand engine in them or about longevity/durability. they probably would be just fine, as they even resemble a kubota quite a bit. biggest thing between the 2, like you said is tractor weight. like i said, i use mine to skid logs (firewood) and it isn't the best tractor for the job, as heavier would pull more easier, but it always gets the job done and i have pulled some pretty big logs for a 2600lb tractor with fel. heck, it handles a 7000lb pulling capacity 3ph winch with ease.

i have also moved tons and tons of dirt and stone with mine (landscaping). leveled ground for peoples sheds, even some out of side hills. cut a 100ft driveway in out of a side hill too. i have the rear tires loaded and get along great. i also plow multiple driveways in the neighborhood in the winter with it. these are just some examples.

i have been around kubota equipment most my short life. where i work now (state transportation dept), they have kubota engines in some of their equipment. (i do seem to see a lot of kubota engines in industrial equipment!)worked at a golf course for 6 years and most their equipment had kubota engines in them. one was a kubota L-series tractor. i have seen those engines take HARD abuse and make it to 2500 hours, rebuilt and keep on going. those run hst and were at high rev all the time. (b7800/b3300su=v1505 4 cynder diesel engine, mine uses about a gallon of fuel per hour and i run 2300rpm). so longevity is not an issue with kubota with proper maintenance. my b7800 has almost 900 hours and NO trouble with the hst either.

the b3300su is the largest of the b series. can put oversized r-4 (industrial) tires on it and gain about 200lbs. if i had to bet, you could get your "heavy duty" prep work done with the b3300su and then like you said the kubota would be better on the lawn and such for everything after. i have r-4 tires on my b7800 and don't tear the lawns up much at all. just use a little common sence and you will be fine. if you want a mid pto go with the b3200 as that has one. (will you need a mid mount mower???)

if weight is still an issue, the kubota L series (L3400 maybe) would match up with the kioti better. about the same price as the b3300su. (i have been pricing in my area lately as i am looking at buying a b3300su for my business.) but with the L series you give up the mid pto if you needed it. not sure it the ck35 had a mid pto.

one thing to consider, which is a factor, the kubota b series uses the 1/4 inching valve on the 3ph as the kioti has position control. 1/4 valve will very slowly leak down so you have to bump it up every 20 minutes or so to maintain 3ph height. (like when i bush hog for people, i have to just bump the 3ph up just a bit about every 20 minutes). no big deal to me, but might be for you. position control will maintain its height on its own.

really you should test drive each one. even if the dealer doesn't have your exact model in stock, get on a simular one and run all the controls. it should be very simular between simular tractors. get a feel for what one you like best. that will be the biggest deciding factor. by the way, i am not good with exchange rates, but here in my area b3300su is around $16,000-$17,000 in us dollars. i think either tractor would be fine. it just comes down to what you need most out of the tractor. good luck and enjoy shopping around.

 

[kiotiken]

I did like the ease of use with the Kubota - slam on some throttle and away you go. Going full noise all the time is something I'm not used to. Guess you have to keep up the hyd. pressure. I rarely go over 1800rpm on my DF254.

Does anyone know if the Cruise Control on the CK35HST works in reverse?

The Kioti dealer won't like me asking him to get a CK35HST in just to test drive - already thinks I'm an old-woman (no offence to old women intended from me ) The closet one is 6 hours away by car - too far to go and see. I'll wait and see what Kubota have as a deal before I press that drama.

I have heard that Kubota likes to shaft you for spare parts?? Kioti could be the same for all I know :confused2:

Do you think turfs would have enough traction? Everyone seems to have Ag tyres here. The TYM came stock with Industrials, and the Kubota had either Ag's or Turfs for the same price.
Thx

The first thing I'll say is that it's not a fair comparison between the CK35 and the B3300, even if they are close in hp. Even though Kubota tries to use the B line to compare to the CK line (my Kubota dealer did anyway and it's all to do with price), you need to compare the CK line to the Kubota L line for specs and the Grand L for features. As far as the DS line goes, I don't know much about it, my dealer doesn't seem to stock any of them and I never really looked at them.

I looked at the link you provided. The CK35 is different than the CK27/30/35 that we have in North America, some of the nice features seem to be missing, including the stabilizer bars on the back, you'd get stabilizer links.

Regardless of some differences in features, cruse control doesn't work in reverse for any of us, there a few threads about that.

Kioti parts (here anway) are much more reasonable than Kubota parts. For example, the second rear remote that I added was $500 installed, but there were lots of people complaining on TBN that the Kubota kit was over $1000.

As far as HST goes, it's great, but yes, the RPM's are always high. To get away from that, you'd have to look at the Kubota HST+ system, but that's only in the Grand L and above and will cost you lots of $$$$$. I find the Kubota hst whine very loud (I hear more whine than engine noise from my neighbour) as it was on my JD 955. As for my CK30, you don't really hear anything except maybe a little when it's cold.

As far as choosing between the Kioti and Kubota, I think you already know what you need to make that decision, and they are both great tractors. The Kubota is smaller and light and will be better for the lawn, the Kioti will be bigger and heavy and better for bigger work. That is exactly why I made the choice that I did.

 

[kiotiken]

Now I'm more confused. Using the link you provided, the .pdf brochure available from Kioti New Zealand is different from the model shown under the CK35 product page on their web page. The e-brochure shows the same tractor we have here, the web page certainly doesn't. The e-brochure also shows the CK27/30 as well as CK35.

 

[IndyIan]

Do you think turfs would have enough traction? Everyone seems to have Ag tyres here. The TYM came stock with Industrials, and the Kubota had either Ag's or Turfs for the same price. Sure wish I could test some Turfs in a real situation. I've got Ag's on my tractor - sure can make a mess at times. (Update: Just read a 1000 posts about tyres. Lots of opinions!! I think turfs will get the job done. Ideal would be some Ag's and a set of turfs on rims as well. Sounds expensive!)
Thx

I think I read in one of the 1000 posts about someone putting chains on their turf tires if they wanted to do some heavy pulling or for snow as well. So thats a bit cheaper option than a new tire set...
I like my DK40 which is pretty similar to the DS4510. I'm moving lots of dirt at the moment so I like the loader power and weight of the tractor. I have Ag's though and my lawn is off limits with those!

 

[KoolKiwi]

namesray - Great post - Thx. Very informative. It's impossible to get a machine that does it all. The best would be two machines, but that is out of the question for us. I loved the DS4510 - would get some wicked work done with that. Downsides are it's height to fit in the barn, it's massive weight and it's a long tractor with FEL out the front. Seems bigger than I actually need, even though the money is right.

Yep...realise the Kubtoa has a 1/4 inching value. It's a stepup from what I've got, so not an issue. I'd never heard of a Positioning Valve until reading this forum.

Here in NZ...the B3300SU has the option of a Mid-PTO. Not sure I need one though. I like a back mounted mower - better for doing corners. And a lawn tractor is probably better long term. Again, like Kioti, Kubota NZ only brings in a very small selection of tractors (see here Norwood - Kubota Use Tractors under 60 Hp link). The web site hasn't been updated in a while, so some of the models are no longer available.

I've taken the B3300SU for a drive - very nice. Small, zippy ideal for when the tough stuff is done. And...the specs (HP, FEL, Hydraulics) are better than our Eastwind tractor, so I know it'll do the job. I love the turning lock - way better than my DF254.

Wish our prices were that low. The kubota is $32700.00 (on special) ! Now image if you had to pay that in your currency, so you can now imagine how we feel! :shocked: The next step up are all mid-$40k. The Kioti CK35 is $1000 more than the B3300SU. :shocked::shocked:

kiotiken - Absolutely right it's not a fair comparison - the tractors are worlds apart. The reality is that many of the models you guys take for granted just aren't available here. The market is just too small. I was really keen on the DS3510 - a budget 35 HP tractor. When I drove it I didn't like it - too small, operator controls didn't feel right, so the dealer said, why would you want the 35HP when the 45HP (DS4510) is so much more tractor?? He's right. For $4000K more, it's a way better fit, but it's only $1000 less than the CK35 (which they don't have in stock, so I can't see one). I want to see one, but won't push for it until I get the numbers on the Kubota.

As for the website links - yeah...dealers here being cheap! I just noticed the image doesn't show the telescopic bars and stuff. Have to check on that. The brochure I have definitely shows them.

Pity about the reverse cruise as well. That's something the TYM had going for it.

IndyIan - read a lot about the Ag Vs Industrial Vs Turf. Difficult to get a definitive answer without actually doing something with each type. My tractor has Ag's - great for lots of things, but do they make a mess. I've already killed the original front tyres on the machine from using the FEL. Sidewalls are next to useless. Being narrow, they also sink into soft/wet ground a long way.

The B3300SU had Turfs on it when I drove it. This forum shows lots of guys use them for all sorts of tasks. Some say they wouldn't have anything else. The industrials for this tractor cost $500+ more. Our property is mainly flat - a couple of small slopes (but no hills). For the moment I'm doing a lot of work in rotary hoed dirt - only 180mm deep, so not sure about the Turfs pulling a blade through that. I feel in 4WD they'll do the job. I doubt the dealer will let me swap them out if I'm not happy with them. I wonder if they have a demo available?? We don't have snow to worry about, so that's a bonus. Once the garden plants how been planted the tractor will basic only be mowing the outside tract of land (maybe??), grading and re-metalling the drive and doing the odd job. Don't think I could be bothered with chains.

I know the dealer can make a big difference. For Kubota, they are actually Kubota New Zealand - so are the importers of the product. They do do other brands though, as does the Kioti dealer - who is also the Kioti importer.

I'm leaning toward the B3300SU at this point, but the numbers will be the defining thing. If they match the trade-in price on my tractor, there won't be a lot in it money wise. Thx again and much appreciated.

PS - I wonder if there is an aftermarket push button cruise control that allows forward and reverse cruise???

How does the mechanical cruise work on the Kubota??

 

[Verticaltrx]

I've also looked at a Kubota B3300SU. What a neat little tractor. It's the only HST I've driven and I can see the benefits of it doing slashing and FEL work. I worry about longevity, and the price of fuel being run at full noise all the time. It's also very light compared to the Kioti's. It doesn't come with a cruise control, but they said they would fit one free of charge (mechanical). It comes with either Ag tyres or Turf's. I like the turfs, but worry about traction. I had a smile on my face all the time I was driving it. Even my wife thought it was kool!

We have 6 acres. We are converting it from paddocks into garden. I'm currently doing lots of rotary hoe and FEL work, but this will fall off as what get it planted. I also use a 6' rear blade a lot for contouring. The turf's will be great once it's a completed garden

For 6 acres I think a B3300 would be plenty, both of the other are much larger size/weight/class tractors.

Don't worry about longevity on the little Kubota, the drive train and many of the components are the same used on the Kubota B26, which is an industrial Tractor/Loader/Backhoe model made for everyday commercial use. Also, you'll find that for most tasks you really don't need to run it 'at full noise'. For 90% of loader work, grading, pulling, etc I run mine between 1800-2000rpms, it runs very smooth and nice at that speed with plenty of power.

I don't know much about the Kioti's except that the two models you are looking at larger machines than the Kubota. For loader work, the HST is very nice, and depending on the task, probably get more done with a slightly smaller HST machine vs a larger gear drive machine.

 

[KoolKiwi]

For 6 acres I think a B3300 would be plenty, both of the other are much larger size/weight/class tractors.

Don't worry about longevity on the little Kubota, the drive train and many of the components are the same used on the Kubota B26, which is an industrial Tractor/Loader/Backhoe model made for everyday commercial use. Also, you'll find that for most tasks you really don't need to run it 'at full noise'. For 90% of loader work, grading, pulling, etc I run mine between 1800-2000rpms, it runs very smooth and nice at that speed with plenty of power.

I don't know much about the Kioti's except that the two models you are looking at larger machines than the Kubota. For loader work, the HST is very nice, and depending on the task, probably get more done with a slightly smaller HST machine vs a larger gear drive machine.

Hey...are you reading my mind?? :cool2:

FEL work is the pain on my DF254. The high low lever is right down on the side of the trans, meaning you have to lean right down between your legs to work it. Makes FEL work tedious. I saw the HST as being really easy both for FEL and mowing.

Nice to hear you don't have to run it flat out. Must make fuel consumption higher at full noise. 1800-2000rpms is the same as I run on my DF254. I have to push it though for rotary hoe work - hence the HP upgrade.

What tyres do you run?

 

[Verticaltrx]

Hey...are you reading my mind?? :cool2:

FEL work is the pain on my DF254. The high low lever is right down on the side of the trans, meaning you have to lean right down between your legs to work it. Makes FEL work tedious. I saw the HST as being really easy both for FEL and mowing.

Nice to hear you don't have to run it flat out. Must make fuel consumption higher at full noise. 1800-2000rpms is the same as I run on my DF254. I have to push it though for rotary hoe work - hence the HP upgrade.

What tyres do you run?

I have both a set of the R1 ag tires and R4 industrial tires. I swap them out a couple times a year depending on the job. The tractor has far more pulling/pushing ability with the ag tires over the other options, but they are not quite as sturdy. That being said, we used to have a tractor with turf tires and it did fine for most jobs. Only problem came when it was wet and muddy. Also, in the B3300, the turf tires are a larger size (13.6-16 for turf vs 12.4-16 ag) which would give a little more weight if fluid filled.

As for fuel consumption, I can run it all day long, even at PTO speed on a tank of fuel. Running it at 1500-1800rpms it seems like it can go about 1.5-2 days on a tank.

 

[KoolKiwi]

I have both a set of the R1 ag tires and R4 industrial tires...

This would be the best option. I have wondered if the R4 and the Turf fit the same rim? That way I could swap out to Turfs when I finally need them. Maybe I should just put Industrials on from the start?? Another set of tyres on rims is an expensive option. For my DF254 I was quoted $4000k for tyres on rims. Later, I tracked someone down dealing in China that could do them for $1800. Not much point now with the upgrade. I'll have to buy everything off Kubota so everything falls under warranty.

As for fuel consumption, I can run it all day long, even at PTO speed on a tank of fuel. Running it at 1500-1800rpms it seems like it can go about 1.5-2 days on a tank.

Excellent. I've been using about 3x containers of 5.28 US Gals (20litres) per week running the rotary hoe - about $105 NZ total.

The sales rep for Kubota has been on annual leave - is back Monday. His in-tray will probably be full, but I hope we can connect Tues/Wed and get a final price. The Kubota didn't have a loader on when I saw it, but it's the first B3300SU the Kubota manager had seen, Hopefully when I go back for another test drive it'll be all ready to go. Like to have a play with the loader.

You Americans sure get some good deals - like 0% finance and 5 Years warranty. No 0% deals here and the warranty is only two years for both Kubota and Kioti. Kubtoa has only just added the extra year to match obviously, but i was told there is a mandatory 11 month service to check the machine before it goes into the 2nd year. Sounds like BS to me, and just another way of scoring some green. It's either two years or it's not!

 

[Gittyup]

The CK35 is not larger than the B3300, only heavier. Much heavier, which is what i want in a tractor with a loader on it. And I still loaded the tires. Size wise, it's actually a pretty small machine.

turfs are fine until it's even the slightest bit wet. Then they are useless. R4's are the better compromise. I have R4's; wish I had R1's. Turfs are for lawn mowers.

It sounds like you have your mind made up on the B3300. Go for it and enjoy. But, you aren't getting the best tractor.

 

[KoolKiwi]

The CK35 is not larger than the B3300, only heavier. Much heavier, which is what i want in a tractor with a loader on it. And I still loaded the tires. Size wise, it's actually a pretty small machine.

Haven't seen a CK35 for real, so I don't know how big it is. Images are deceiving.

turfs are fine until it's even the slightest bit wet. Then they are useless. R4's are the better compromise. I have R4's; wish I had R1's. Turfs are for lawn mowers.

I have to consider the eventual purpose of the machine as well. Traction isn't the deal breaker on a flat property. I don't often get out when it's wet - make more mess than it's worth. I like turfs also because they don't mark concrete areas and don't rip the gravel drive like Ag's. I'm sure an R4 is similar to the Ag's - just less. You're right, R4's are probably the best all-round one. B3300SU comes with either Ag's or Turfs at no extra cost. The R4's cost $600 more.

- It sounds like you have your mind made up on the B3300. Go for it and enjoy. But, you aren't getting the best tractor.

Not completely sold on the Kubota. A lot of the money goes toward brand recognition, not the quality of the tractor. Really dislike the idea of paying more for brand. Kubota has exceptional resale value here in NZ, but the spec's on it aren't anywhere near the Kioti.

Kioti is a reasonably new brand - haven't seen any 2nd hand ones for sale. Resale will be less than the Kubota. "Best tractor" is a real subjective term. The CK35 is the tractor I thought I wanted when I started looking, but the extra weight is not something I need and the extra cost of R4's on it ($3000k) make it the most expensive of the bunch. I'm not convinced I'm getting more for the money - well I would be, but difficult to justify given that the Kubota will do everything I want. Heck...my DF254 will do everything I want if I'm prepared to drive it into the ground. I'm not!

If the numbers don't line up, then the Kubota won't happen. They may decide they won't match the trade-in price of Kioti. I'm not going to make it all about the money though.

Best spec'd tractor for the money would be the TYM T353HST. Lots of goodies and comes stock on R4's. Not proven here though, and backup is uncertain - especially after the TYM drama in Aussie.

Hope I get this sorted next week. Thx for the comments. Appreciated.

 

[grampastractor]

Greetings my fine fellow tractor owners,

My first post here...so be gentle

Kioti is a fantastic ...

turfs or Industrials. Eek!!

The B3300SU is the only Kubota I've looked at - :thumbsup:

I bought the kioti after looking at many brands. It came down to the ck35hst and the b3300su, same price here. The guys on this forum were very helpful in showing the advantages of the kioti for the type of work I needed it for, much the same as you.
Compare the back of the tractors. The kioti is more like the L series kubota, axles and 3 pth much larger.
I loved the kubota but the kioti appeared to be so much more tractor value.
My tractors in the past have always had ag tires, this time I have industrial and I wouldn't go back. They don't rip the yard up like the ag tires but I am not having any traction issues and I have been doing mostly loader work since I got it.
I ended up buying the ct30 hst do to cost saving but it is much the same tractor as the ct35 hst, only a few pto hp less.
Search the posts from a few weeks ago in both the kioti and kubota buyers where I asked some of the same questions as you have. The guys here really know their stuff.
Enjoy the new tractor, either one should put a smile on your face.
Don va3any

 

[KoolKiwi]

grampastractor - actually I'm pretty sure I read your thread. I've done quite a lot of reading on the forum, but it's not until you have your own thread and knock ideas off everyone that you start to get a feel for the end result.

I sure wish they did the CK30HST here, but only the CK22/35HST are available. The 30HP would've been the ideal size and price, and I'm certain I would have gone in that direction.

I've even started to wonder if I shouldn't revisit the TYM brand, as they have a very well spec'd machine. Pity it's got so much plastic on it. I could only test drive the 23HP model, and it's much smaller than the 35HP. It didn't buzz me like the Kubota. I wasn't happy with the deal either. A lot more unknowns down this path.

Appreciate the reply. Thx

 

[Singlemalt]

I've had the DS 4110 HS since last August.

Same frame as the DS4510 w/FEL but 4 HP less. Unless you are doing some sustained high power project the 4 HP won't be missed although my dealer indicated $1000 difference in price.

Ag tires set at a wide stance. The stability is great.
Seldom run it above 1800 rpm and it has no issues with lifting gravel, skidding logs or pushing dirt or snow.

Lots of room behind the seat and on the sides for carrying the extras including the dog although for some reason he thinks the seat is his.

Had cruise control on my Kubota L 3710 but rarely used it. It might be handier if you are doing road travel or field work. I do miss the adjustable steering column but not enough to want to go back. I'm getting use to the shuttle shift but there are occasions (not many) when the HST would be nice although it did have some power draw backs as well. The foot feed throttle on the DS makes up for it.

 

[KoolKiwi]

I've had the DS 4110 HS since last August.

Same frame as the DS4510 w/FEL but 4 HP less. Unless you are doing some sustained high power project the 4 HP won't be missed although my dealer indicated $1000 difference in price.

Hey Singlemalt - we don't get the DS4110 (only DS4510 & DS3510). They also don't do the HS model. Full syncro would be nice.

The DS4510 is one heck-of-a tractor. This is probably the tractor I will buy if nothing else pans out. Storage would be problematic for size. Also the size will mean more fluids, etc so more cost to service. For example, The Kubota only has 14 litres of fluid in the trans. The Kioti's have over 30. Last service I had done, the cost of 1litre was $9 - almost $300 for a trans oil change on the Kioti's. :shocked: My current tractor takes 20litres. The size also doesn't really work for our garden design, which is too far down the track to change. The dealer suggests we buy this one, then in time down-grade to a smaller machine, but that will mean two depreciations -not ideal.

I want the cruise for rotary hoe work. It's all done in low/low and can be tedious. Often when mowing the block I like to stand up to take a break from sitting for many hours. I have a foot throttle on my current machine, but rarely use that. I prefer the hand throttle. My tractor rarely gets out of 1st gear (high).