Comparison Kubota 4240 vs Deere 4120 -- Why big price diff?

rjwerth · Mar 23, 2012

Because the green paint is actually made by grinding up $100 bills.

whitedogone · Mar 24, 2012

Because it's worth it.

murphy1244 · Mar 24, 2012

Do you have any Kioti dealers around?? Dk40 HST with loader is about 22 grand with 4 year warrenty.

GreenWannabe · Mar 24, 2012

The quotes I got this week wound up with the DK40SE coming in at $13K less than the L4240, same configuration. This was with HST, cab, loader, 2 rear remotes, and quick hitch. All three dealers are about equally good. Of course, the Kioti free loader offer helped, to the tune of about $5K.

Try the ones you think you want, get quotes, and evaluate the dealer, then make your choice. The right one is the one that works best for you,

IslandTractor · Mar 24, 2012

GreenWannabe said:
The quotes I got this week wound up with the DK40SE coming in at $13K less than the L4240, same configuration. This was with HST, cab, loader, 2 rear remotes, and quick hitch. All three dealers are about equally good. Of course, the Kioti free loader offer helped, to the tune of about $5K.

Try the ones you think you want, get quotes, and evaluate the dealer, then make your choice. The right one is the one that works best for you,

$13K is a pretty high premium for a different shade of orange and a fancy transmission. Though to be fair the real comparison by horsepower to the L4240 is the DK45 while the DK40 compares to the L3940 exactly in horsepower. The DK45 usually costs $1500-2K more than the DK40.

The Kubota 40 series tranny is certainly a plus but one should consider that all Kubota tractors before about 2007 (and all the current B and non grand L series) use the same generation HST as Kioti does. Tried and true.

As a trade off, the loader comparison favors Kioti. The L3940 has a max lift of 1900lbs compared to over 2700lb for the DK40/45. Even the L4240 loader at 2500lbs lift is shy of the Kioti figure.

GreenWannabe · Mar 25, 2012

I don't know why I keep saying DK40SE, it is really a DK45SE. Dyslexic, I guess!

IslandTractor · Mar 25, 2012

GreenWannabe said:
I don't know why I keep saying DK40SE, it is really a DK45SE. Dyslexic, I guess!

$13K difference between a DK45se and L4240 is bizarre. $6K is commonly seen as the Kioti advantage but 13K is wild. I'd say that means not only is the free loader impact significant but that the Kubota dealer is just not discounting.

crazyal · Mar 25, 2012

$13k, I think either the Kioti dealer gave you one heck of a deal or the Kubota dealer used the wrong number. The price difference when I was looking was about $1500 but once I got a feel for the HST+ (and I wanted a front mount snow blower that the Kioti dealer couldn't find in the book) the Kioti was out of the running. For $13k I would drive the Kioti to the Kubota dealer and ask him to come out and show you why the Kubota costs $13k more (maybe they use gold dust mixed in with the air they fill the tires with).

Martian · Mar 25, 2012

$13k! Why don't you have that thing already??? Unless Kubota dealer gave you above list and the Kioti dealer gave you one heck of a deal, I really don't see how this is possible. I'd be all over this, though for that much. Imagine all those implements you could buy with that price difference, because of course you wouldn't be a smart shopper and save that money, you have to reinvest - fuels the economy

Seriously, though, would you mind sharing the quotes? That's quite a difference.

IslandTractor · Mar 25, 2012

crazyal said:
$13k, I think either the Kioti dealer gave you one heck of a deal or the Kubota dealer used the wrong number. The price difference when I was looking was about $1500 but once I got a feel for the HST+ (and I wanted a front mount snow blower that the Kioti dealer couldn't find in the book) the Kioti was out of the running. For $13k I would drive the Kioti to the Kubota dealer and ask him to come out and show you why the Kubota costs $13k more (maybe they use gold dust mixed in with the air they fill the tires with).

No, I think Kubota just buys their paint from the same supplier as JD.

murphy1244 · Mar 25, 2012

IslandTractor said:
No, I think Kubota just buys their paint from the same supplier as JD.

Now there;s a shot over the bonnet..:laughing:

crazyal · Mar 25, 2012

IslandTractor said:
No, I think Kubota just buys their paint from the same supplier as JD.

I still think that sparkle in the orange paint that the Kioti's don't have is real flakes of gold. You're just jealous of the Kubota's bling. :laughing:

GreenWannabe · Mar 26, 2012

crazyal said:
$13k, I think either the Kioti dealer gave you one heck of a deal or the Kubota dealer used the wrong number. The price difference when I was looking was about $1500 but once I got a feel for the HST+ (and I wanted a front mount snow blower that the Kioti dealer couldn't find in the book) the Kioti was out of the running. For $13k I would drive the Kioti to the Kubota dealer and ask him to come out and show you why the Kubota costs $13k more (maybe they use gold dust mixed in with the air they fill the tires with).

If my Kubota dealer was within $1500 I would be dickering with him. At $13K it makes no sense to even bother him - he's never going to come down that far. My Kioti dealer is a "Kioti 5 paw" dealer, and I think was the top-selling dealer for Kioti last year. He's been in business for 21 years, and has made it a family business. And I was blown away with the price, too. It is probably the only way I can afford the cabbed HST tractor I've wanted for years. I'm going to go see him and try to finalize the deal today.

IslandTractor · Mar 26, 2012

GreenWannabe said:
If my Kubota dealer was within $1500 I would be dickering with him. At $13K it makes no sense to even bother him - he's never going to come down that far. My Kioti dealer is a "Kioti 5 paw" dealer, and I think was the top-selling dealer for Kioti last year. He's been in business for 21 years, and has made it a family business. And I was blown away with the price, too. It is probably the only way I can afford the cabbed HST tractor I've wanted for years. I'm going to go see him and try to finalize the deal today.

Pick up and extra one for me while your there.

art · Mar 26, 2012

Just got my spring copy of Northern Hydraulics and boy do they offer good deals on tractors and with no freight!!

Martian · Mar 26, 2012

art said:
Just got my spring copy of Northern Hydraulics and boy do they offer good deals on tractors and with no freight!!

Do you have anything good to say about a tractor besides Kubota? Don't mean to sound rude or snotty, but you find a way to seem every tractor lesser, though it's not always true.

IslandTractor · Mar 26, 2012

Martian said:
Do you have anything good to say about a tractor besides Kubota? Don't mean to sound rude or snotty, but you find a way to seem every tractor lesser, though it's not always true.

It's just Art being Art. Sometimes I think he must crap Kubota Orange.

crazyal · Mar 26, 2012

GreenWannabe said:
If my Kubota dealer was within $1500 I would be dickering with him. At $13K it makes no sense to even bother him - he's never going to come down that far. My Kioti dealer is a "Kioti 5 paw" dealer, and I think was the top-selling dealer for Kioti last year. He's been in business for 21 years, and has made it a family business. And I was blown away with the price, too. It is probably the only way I can afford the cabbed HST tractor I've wanted for years. I'm going to go see him and try to finalize the deal today.

For $13k, if you had bought the Kubota I would of said you needed to check in to the local hospital and have your head examined.

When I was looking I got a quote from a dealer that was about $1K above retail. I just dismissed them and a few days later I got a message saying they screwed up and quoted me a cabbed tractor. I looked at the quote and it was for a HSTC (cabbed model). They said they would be sending a new quote. Well the price didn't change but they did change it from HSTC to HST. Needless to say I never bothered contacting them further.

One thing nice is being able to see the retail prices of the Kubota on-line. If a dealer gives you a quote you can check to see what the retail price is. If you didn't have a Kioti dealer you could still have tchecked the Kubota quote to retail to see how much of a discount they are offering you and how much more you might be able to get out of them. It would be nice if every company would do it.

BTW congrats on the Kioti. I bet you'll love it.

GreenWannabe · Mar 26, 2012

I just have gone through the buying process, got quotes on a Kioti, a Kubota, and a Massey Ferguson. The Kubota quote was almost $13,000 higher than the Kioti for an equal configuration; the Massey, $10,000 higher than the Kioti. While I really liked the Kubota, in no way could I justify the higher price.

beppington · Mar 26, 2012

crazyal said:
When I was shopping the JD dealer didn't even want to talk to me. He did a basic answers to any questions and didn't even bother getting out of his chair. I think they make their living off of larger ag tractors and are happy with the people who walk in and pay what they are asking because of the colors. BTW I really like the JD green (even painted the spare room JD green :laughing and yellow but for that kind of price difference, go with the Kubota.

That being said I think the Kubota HST+ transmission is head and shoulders above the rest. NH has the next best thing. Now that I own the HST+ the price of the JD would have to be cheaper, by quite a bit, before I would even look at it. Even now I wouldn't buy the MX5100, a very nice tractor, because it doesn't have the HST+ transmission. Ask the dealer to show you how it works or watch the videos at Messick's website.