YM2210D FEL Mount

[MarshSt]

I have all of the mechanical stuff taken care of on my "new" 2210D and am now ready to install the FEL from my old MF 205-4 onto the new. Can anyone post or point me to a thread with some good pictures of the mounts for a 2210D. I have the front end figured out and am looking at attaching the sub-frame to the bolt holes in the bottom of the bell housing and the side of the block where the steel plates bolt on for the front clip. I am also thinking about tying it in to the rear axle area.

Thanks,
Steve

 

[California]

My YM240 is about the same age and similar size. It has an oversize Great Bend loader. Long ago I posted photos showing the loader mounts in response to a similar inquiry.

The main point is that there are arms to the rear axle to tranfer stress when you run into something. The arms also prevent twisting the loader's frame forward when you lift. This helps avoid the cracked bellhousings we read about on lesser tractors. .

See: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/34494-building-frontend-loader-ym2000.html

 

[MarshSt]

Thanks for the info. I took a look at your other pictures too and can see how the whole thing goes together. The loader I am using was factory on my Massey 205-4 and is a quick connect. The original mounts on the Massey were full length and attached to the front of the frame, had taper pins to loosely connect to mounts on the (Aluminum) bellhousing and then bolted to tabs attached to the rear axle ends where the sway chains attach.
I was considering cutting the mount arms at about the bellhousing and attaching to a sub frame there only. I had seen a few pictures that looked like it was done that way but there wasn't much detail for any other structure. I think I will plan to go with the full length mount attached (loosely)at the bell housing area and tie the rear into the drawbar mount. The mounts will be too wide once I get to the rear tires so I will need to step them in.
Stay tuned for progress pictures.

Steve

 

[MarshSt]

Spare time has been short for getting the mounts completed. The front and center are done and all that remains is the rear.
I have seen the plumbing diagrams for tying into the hydraulics by splitting the pressure line to the 3-point. I was wondering if anyone has plumbed theirs this way and also runs their tractor without the FEL sometimes. Do you just plug your quick connects together when the FEL is not mounted?

Thanks,
Steve

 

[winston1]

That is exactly what I do. I have quick disconnects there.

 

[MarshSt]

Thanks Winston that will make the install pretty easy.

Steve

 

[kenmac]

I have seen the plumbing diagrams for tying into the hydraulics by splitting the pressure line to the 3-point. I
Thanks,
Steve

I hope yours works well plumbed this way. I guess some do & some don't . Mine didn't work wery well plumbed this way.

 

[winston1]

I didn't plumb mine that way. I came that way from LCI. Many many many vn tractors are plumbed that way. All I did was add the quick disconnects and hoses for easy loader removal. I am pretty sure the gurus of hydraulics will say you need a power beyond port and go from it to the 3 point. All I know for sure is mine works fine. :thumbsup:

 

[kenmac]

I didn't plumb mine that way. I came that way from LCI. Many many many vn tractors are plumbed that way. All I did was add the quick disconnects and hoses for easy loader removal. I am pretty sure the gurus of hydraulics will say you need a power beyond port and go from it to the 3 point. All I know for sure is mine works fine. :thumbsup:

I stated that some (maybe I should have said many) will work this way. Mine must be the only one that wouldn't . I can now have the 3 pt in the all the way up position & the curl, & float function of the bucket works as it should. Which ever way works . Go for it:thumbsup:

 

[MarshSt]

Update:
The mounts are all complete and the FEL installed. I cut into the 3 point line for the hydraulics since my control valve has power beyond. Both the FEL and 3 point work fine this way. I have .jpg pictures but I need some help getting them under the max file size. How do you compress the files to fit? I used MS picture Manager but the files are still too big.

Steve

 

[Domush]

Update:
I have .jpg pictures but I need some help getting them under the max file size. How do you compress the files to fit?

See this post, all of your questions will be answered and file size will no longer matter.

 

[Car Doc]

I stated that some (maybe I should have said many) will work this way. Mine must be the only one that wouldn't . I can now have the 3 pt in the all the way up position & the curl, & float function of the bucket works as it should. Which ever way works . Go for it:thumbsup:

I am in the "didn't work well like that" crowd too. I haven't gotten around to re-routing mine yet but have the parts to do so just waiting on me.

 

[California]

I haven't gotten around to re-routing mine yet but have the parts to do so just waiting on me.

Hmmm. Can somebody post a diagram of what you will change it to?

The problem I have is the 30+ year old loader control leaks down slightly. In effect the weight of the backhoe forces fluid back through the loader valve, letting the backhoe settle as I drive around. This back pressure can also make the operation of the loader controls unpredictable.

If I could change the plumbing to no longer be in series, the backhoe would stay lifted.

 

[Car Doc]

Hmmm. Can somebody post a diagram of what you will change it to?

The problem I have is the 30+ year old loader control leaks down slightly. In effect the weight of the backhoe forces fluid back through the loader valve, letting the backhoe settle as I drive around. This back pressure can also make the operation of the loader controls unpredictable.

If I could change the plumbing to no longer be in series, the backhoe would stay lifted.

Bingo!

Well kenmac knows this better than me he has done it with success but the jist of it is adding a PB line on the loader control taking it out of the circuit when the 3 pt is the last thing in the circuit. We believe that is why our curl etc is inop about half the time when you need it to work it just sits no movement it gets maddening.

The return on the PB is back into the sump thru an inspection plate thats on top of our tranys. Most of these dont have that plate or another return possibility place. Otherwise this is why most of these aftermarket loader installs are simply cut into the pressure line just back from the pump making the loader valve a pressurized unit when the 3 pt is operated or at that "magic point on the draft control" :laughing: rather than flow thru with PB setup.

That is my understanding of it anyway and Hoye says it is ok and so does Koyker and that is my issue with them they had an attitude twords me about the whole PB on Yanmars when I called for advice.

 

[MarshSt]

Picture updates I hope:
Well here's the attempt at posting pictures using Picasa as recommended by Domush. Banner Red was not a match to any of the aged colors I have but it should keep it from rusting and it adds character.

Steve

Well I have links but not the neat thumbnails. What's the trick to that?

https://picasaweb.google.com/105265...key=Gv1sRgCMentZvsy6yi9wE#5740938225352098514
https://picasaweb.google.com/105265...key=Gv1sRgCMentZvsy6yi9wE#5740938238065154098
https://picasaweb.google.com/105265...key=Gv1sRgCMentZvsy6yi9wE#5740938277018160514
https://picasaweb.google.com/105265...key=Gv1sRgCMentZvsy6yi9wE#5740938299193324610
https://picasaweb.google.com/105265...key=Gv1sRgCMentZvsy6yi9wE#5740938344775262226

 

[Car Doc]

Very well done! One decal to scrape off and it could pass as factory installed. :thumbsup:

 

[winston1]

Yep, neat job. :thumbsup:

 

[Domush]

Looks great!

Wish you took a bunch more in-progress photos, so those of us who aren't as fabrication and hydraulic inclined could learn how you went about doing it.

 

[MarshSt]

I appreciate the compliments. Thanks to everyone who offered advice along the way. The forum was a lot of help with advice on the hydraulics and info on other mounts.
I also rebuilt both front drive hub assemblies earlier and didn't think to take pictures. I have some pins and bosses to repair on the loader some day, maybe I'll remember to take pics then! I always think about the camera after it is too late.

Steve

 

[kenmac]

very neat /clean job:thumbsup: Did you plumb the hydraulics in series with the 3 pt with the return line or did you add a return line to sump & power the 3 pt. with PB ?