Does another 4inches make a difference?

[CPM]

I was offered industrial tyres off another model to fit on a new MX5100 but I was told that the rims go from 28inches on the Ags to 24inches on the industrials. Would this affect me, and in what way?

One argument is that the CG is lower - should be a good thing for a novice like me - on the other hand I lose some clearance.

What's more valuable?

Do I really need the industrials - which come a $1000 more expensive...

Any thoughts?

 

[rambler]

I assume this is a matched set, if this is a 4wd tractor you need the fronts ot be in the proper ratio to the rears?

What is it you wish to do, ag tractors work very well in dirt and snow and mud, indistrials work better on concrete - well last longer - and some feel aren't as hard on lawns.

Smaller diameter means you;ll travel slower.

Less clearance maens belly up in snow or mud. Slightly affects the arc f lifting 3pt items, they won't lift as high. It's all small potatoes tho, just mentioning the little items.

Mostly what surface are you mostly working on, that's what tires are all about?

--->Paul

 

[CPM]

I assume this is a matched set, if this is a 4wd tractor you need the fronts ot be in the proper ratio to the rears?

What is it you wish to do, ag tractors work very well in dirt and snow and mud, indistrials work better on concrete - well last longer - and some feel aren't as hard on lawns.

Smaller diameter means you;ll travel slower.

Less clearance maens belly up in snow or mud. Slightly affects the arc f lifting 3pt items, they won't lift as high. It's all small potatoes tho, just mentioning the little items.

Mostly what surface are you mostly working on, that's what tires are all about?

--->Paul

I have fields to slash and then some rougher country to move rocks and logs. I wont have lawn on the slashed area but I'd like to keep it looking halfway decent - hence the Industrials.

Our seasons are dry and very wet. It seems the down sides of the industrials outweigh the upsides at the moment.

 

[TripleR]

You can read old threads on tire choice and still come away kind of confused as to what will serve you best. For many of use, we choose based on what we do the most. We have Industrials on some and g on others, no complaints on either.

The small height difference between the two is not really going to make any difference except in extreme situations in which we probably shouldn't be in anyway.

 

[crazyangel]

Oh, you are talking about tires....

My mind when somewhere else. :laughing:

 

[Reg]

I was offered industrial tyres off another model to fit on a new MX5100 but I was told that the rims go from 28inches on the Ags to 24inches on the industrials. Would this affect me, and in what way?

One argument is that the CG is lower - should be a good thing for a novice like me - on the other hand I lose some clearance.

What's more valuable?

Do I really need the industrials - which come a $1000 more expensive...

Any thoughts?

It may change the height, it may not, it may change it differently to what you expect.
It depends on the COMBINATION of rim diameter AND tire height.
Example; a 28 x 12.4 may not be any TALLER overall than a 17.5L24.
Although I know this to be the Ag/Ind choice on a particular compact, I forgot which is actually taller (-:
I do know that it isn't anywhere near a suggested ratio of 24/28 (6/7).
Neither is it simply 14-12=2 inches difference in rim radius combined with 17.5-12.4=5.1 tire WIDTH, so don't figure a net of 3.1, because aspect ratio comes into it as well. So, "Look it up" (-:

My suggestion/recommendation is that you go to firestone or goodyear web site and find the rolling circumference of both tire sets.

OPINION: I think part of "the deal" on my little tractor was R4s at no extra cost, so an extra kilobuck (to me) sounds excessive.
As I recall we got to the final price after several visits and a lot of back and forth. The tire swap was a last minute thing, but you never know if final deal sweeteners were there all along and just being held for last minute use (-:

 

[High Compression]

Oh, you are talking about tires....

My mind when somewhere else. :laughing:

:laughing::laughing::laughing::thumbsup:

 

[SSdoxie]

Reg is correct. Depends on the tire size ratio. On my tractor the larger diameter Ag tire is only 1/2" taller than the smaller diameter R4 option.

 

[KYDan]

I have the R4 industrial tires on my MX 5100 and love them. However, I do have some specialized uses that influenced my choice. First, I have a couple of older ponds on my property that I am cleaning the muck from the bottom. The R4 tires work better in that use for me as they do not dig in the muck as deeply as the R1s do. I have tried it with both and the Ag tires were continually digging in and I had to pull the tractor out with another one. I have not had that happen as much with the R4s. I have big locust thorns that can puncture tires and the R4s have more rubber and are more puncture resistant. Also I have a runway and the R4s do not cleat it nearly as badly as the R1s do. The downside of the R4s is less traction although that is somewhat minimized by 4WD, and they really aren't good for any plowing as they will not ride in the furrow.

 

[Reg]

Spec sheet for MX5100, from Tractordata.com;

Standard tires (ag): Front: 7.5L-15. Rear: 14.9-26 (2WD)
Front: 9.5-16. Rear: 14.9-26 (4WD)
Optional tires (ag): Front: 7.5L-15. Rear: 13.6-28 (2WD)
Front: 9.5L-15. Rear: 13.6-28 (2WD)
Front: 9.5L-14.9-26 (2WD). Rear:
Front: 9.5-16. Rear: 13.6-28 (4WD)
Lawn/turf front: 29x12.50-15
305R343
Lawn/turf rear: 44x18-20
610R470
Industrial front: 12-16.5 (4WD)
Industrial rear: 17.5L-24 (4WD)

=========================================
From firestoneag.com;
Here is something ALMOST counter intuitive;
Rolling circumference of the 17.5L24 is SLIGHTLY less than for
the 17.5LR24 (the radial version) although the diameter is slightly larger.

17.5L24 diameter 48.9, rolling circumference 145
17.5LR24 diameter 48.7, rolling circumference 146

R1s
13.6x28 diameter 51.5 to 51.7 according to tread pattern.
rolling circumference 153 to 154
--------------------------Conclusion------------------------
As in other fields(pun) boasting an extra 4 inches turns out to be barely 2 1/2 and only half of THAT is relevant to height (ground clearance).
{There is a very old joke somewhere about why women can't read maps, to SCALE (-: }

As to what OTHER differences they make;
1) Ags typically have a lower load rating, which can really MATTER for FEL work.
2) Industrials are harder wearing.
3) In THIS tractor's case industrials are significantly wider and will therefore rut less and "float" better.
4) If you ever decide to fill them with fluid the R4s could take more ballast.

Clear to me, but your uses may be different.
I would in any case not pay an extra kilobuck for industrials.
Hint/clue try to find out which are the most popular tire with that dealer's customers, go with those.
Then see if you can snarf up a set of the others as take-offs for cheap.
That way you get the best of both (-:

 

[CPM]

Oh, you are talking about tires....

My mind when somewhere else. :laughing:

Yeah, I couldn't resist phrasing it that way - kind of a headline grabber!

 

[CPM]

I have the R4 industrial tires on my MX 5100 and love them. However, I do have some specialized uses that influenced my choice. First, I have a couple of older ponds on my property that I am cleaning the muck from the bottom. The R4 tires work better in that use for me as they do not dig in the muck as deeply as the R1s do. I have tried it with both and the Ag tires were continually digging in and I had to pull the tractor out with another one. I have not had that happen as much with the R4s. I have big locust thorns that can puncture tires and the R4s have more rubber and are more puncture resistant. Also I have a runway and the R4s do not cleat it nearly as badly as the R1s do. The downside of the R4s is less traction although that is somewhat minimized by 4WD, and they really aren't good for any plowing as they will not ride in the furrow.

Thanks for the input. I was supprised that the Ags didn't do as well near the ponds. That's an issue for me as I have a few dams, which I'll need to operate near, especially when it's wet.

I wont have the runway issue as I fly helicopters - but I'd hate to have cleat marks over the Helipad:thumbsup:

 

[CPM]

Spec sheet for MX5100, from Tractordata.com;

Standard tires (ag): Front: 7.5L-15. Rear: 14.9-26 (2WD)
Front: 9.5-16. Rear: 14.9-26 (4WD)
Optional tires (ag): Front: 7.5L-15. Rear: 13.6-28 (2WD)
Front: 9.5L-15. Rear: 13.6-28 (2WD)
Front: 9.5L-14.9-26 (2WD). Rear:
Front: 9.5-16. Rear: 13.6-28 (4WD)
Lawn/turf front: 29x12.50-15
305R343
Lawn/turf rear: 44x18-20
610R470
Industrial front: 12-16.5 (4WD)
Industrial rear: 17.5L-24 (4WD)

=========================================
From firestoneag.com;
Here is something ALMOST counter intuitive;
Rolling circumference of the 17.5L24 is SLIGHTLY less than for
the 17.5LR24 (the radial version) although the diameter is slightly larger.

17.5L24 diameter 48.9, rolling circumference 145
17.5LR24 diameter 48.7, rolling circumference 146

R1s
13.6x28 diameter 51.5 to 51.7 according to tread pattern.
rolling circumference 153 to 154
--------------------------Conclusion------------------------
As in other fields(pun) boasting an extra 4 inches turns out to be barely 2 1/2 and only half of THAT is relevant to height (ground clearance).
{There is a very old joke somewhere about why women can't read maps, to SCALE (-: }

As to what OTHER differences they make;
1) Ags typically have a lower load rating, which can really MATTER for FEL work.
2) Industrials are harder wearing.
3) In THIS tractor's case industrials are significantly wider and will therefore rut less and "float" better.
4) If you ever decide to fill them with fluid the R4s could take more ballast.

Clear to me, but your uses may be different.
I would in any case not pay an extra kilobuck for industrials.
Hint/clue try to find out which are the most popular tire with that dealer's customers, go with those.
Then see if you can snarf up a set of the others as take-offs for cheap.
That way you get the best of both (-:

Thanks for the detail. It looks like I'll have to cough up the extra for the Industrials. They seem to offer the best match for my needs right now. Of course, this may change in the future but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

 

[crk133]

you really should be asking your significant other and not us as we have no way to judge......