Old Mack Trucks

[Bob Rooks]

Any Marmon's, Autocar, or Diamond T's?

Hey, I saw a White Western Star. :confused2:

What's that loader?

 

[John Deere 55]

We have one autocar and the old loader is a cat HT4

 

[MarkV]

Is there a master plan for the collection?? Thanks for sharing.

MarkV

 

[5030]

Any Marmon's, Autocar, or Diamond T's?

Hey, I saw a White Western Star. :confused2:

What's that loader?

White and Western Star are 2 different manufacturers, always have been. White motors (originally from Cleveland) and Western Star shared components but that's it. Western Star was in Kolona, British Columbia.

White was a fleet truck whereas Western Star was an owners operators truck.

White became Freightliner, a truck originally speicified by the owners of Consolidated Freightways. Of course Freightliner is now owned by Diamler/Mercedes Benz as well as Western Star and both are made in Portland, Oregon. Freightliner is the fleet truck and Western Star is the OO truck even both share components and drivetrains.

Of course Mack is no longer Mack, Allentown, Pa. It's now Vo-Mack, owned by Volvo.

I know a raft of Mack jokes, non of which are acceptable for this forum.....

Mack poineered the inline 6, high torque rise, direct injected, turbocharged diesel along with a neat V8, but the V8 was expensive to work on. I know, I had one.

 

[John Deere 55]

We plan on trying to restore as many as possible. It's just hard because the economy is so bad.

 

[5030]

We plan on trying to restore as many as possible. It's just hard because the economy is so bad.

If you get one or two restored that would be a milestone. Heavy Truck restoration is very involved and takes a long time.

 

[WilliamBos]

Mack poineered the inline 6, high torque rise, direct injected, turbocharged diesel along with a neat V8, but the V8 was expensive to work on. I know, I had one.

I hear NOTHING out there could touch an E9...

 

[orezok]

When I was a kid, my dad and his brother had a contracting business. They had an old, I mean really old Mack dump truck that had chain drive and the bed of the dump was hand cranked up with a winch.

Noisyist **** thing you ever heard and it rode like... well... a Mack!

My dad worked at Mack on the firetruck assembly line in about 1918.

 

[Bob Rooks]

White and Western Star are 2 different manufacturers, always have been. White motors (originally from Cleveland) and Western Star shared components but that's it. Western Star was in Kolona, British Columbia.
Well dang me! When I was a test driver for PACCAR in the mid '70's, PACCAR shared a test track in Madras, OR (a converted WWll B-25 airstrip) with Freightliner, and I will swear on my mother's grave that there were White Western Star trucks down there that were very utilitarian. Look at the yellow one in the collage. It's obvious that they would share components, most all trucks do except Mack: Chassis & frames by Parrish; engines by Cat, Cummins, et al.; transmissions by Eaton, Fuller; axles by Eaton, Timken; brakes by Wagner, Bendix; steering by Saginaw, Eaton; radiators by Harrison, Young; Instruments by AC Delco, Stewart Warner; suspension by Hendrickson, Reyco, et al; and the list goes on. The only things actually manufactured by the truck "manufacturers" was the cab and wiring harnesses. Even IH (before Navistar) had their cabs built by the Budd Body Co. Mack was the exception (except for the Budd cab) whereas it built it's own engines, axles, frames/chassis, suspension, and transmissions in-house

White was a fleet truck whereas Western Star was an owners operators truck.
White became Freightliner, a truck originally speicified by the owners of Consolidated Freightways.
"Con Freight" owned Freightliner since it's inception in the '30's. Consolidated Freightways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See White Western Star trucks here: white western star trucks - Google Search


And FWIW, those cool '55 - '57 Ford T-Birds we all love had their bodies manufactured by Budd as well.: D

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[John Deere 55]

That is so cool. I would have loved to build Macks when they were Macks.

 

[Red Horse]

White and Western Star are 2 different manufacturers, always have been. White motors (originally from Cleveland) and Western Star shared components but that's it. Western Star was in Kolona, British Columbia.

White was a fleet truck whereas Western Star was an owners operators truck.

White became Freightliner, a truck originally speicified by the owners of Consolidated Freightways. Of course Freightliner is now owned by Diamler/Mercedes Benz as well as Western Star and both are made in Portland, Oregon. Freightliner is the fleet truck and Western Star is the OO truck even both share components and drivetrains.

Of course Mack is no longer Mack, Allentown, Pa. It's now Vo-Mack, owned by Volvo.

I know a raft of Mack jokes, non of which are acceptable for this forum.....

Mack poineered the inline 6, high torque rise, direct injected, turbocharged diesel along with a neat V8, but the V8 was expensive to work on. I know, I had one.

Minor correction-White never became Freightliner. White in the old days marketed Freightliners and for a time they were "White Freightliner" but it was a marketing deal. Freightliner of course was ultimately aquired by Daimler and then Daimler then poured a ton of money into it.-and probably ruined the class 8 business with their crazy deals-but that is what you get when you are selling fleet orders 5000 at whack with big guaranteed residuals.

White on the other hand was GM's safety valve when GMC got out of the class 8 business and for a time the GMC Brigadiers were sold as "White GMC". Strictly a scam as I understand it to keep them from getting sued by the GM Dealers.

White was eventually aquired by Volvo who in turn ultimately aquired Mack from Renault. Let's keep our fingers crossed thsat the Swedes don't end up pulling the plug on Mack. I was in Macungie PA in June which is where the last Mack Assembly plant is and it was booming. Yard full of completed units awaiting shipment.

Oh yes- as many know, Jac Nasser, the idiot running Ford in the laste 90's, gave the Ford class 7 and 8 truck business to Daimler (who renamed it Sterling) for 300 million bucks. At the time ford was a solid 20+ % of the class 7 market and a 8-10% of class 8. 10 years later, Daimler pulls the plug on Sterling. That is one way to get rid of competition!

 

[Red Horse]

Nice Collection. So, did you see each one them in action back in the day. It'd be pretty neat if you knew some of the history behind each one of them.

By the way, do you have any Diamond Reo's in the collection?

Hawk

Thx for the kind words on my B model. That DR A C-114? My company bought a couple off the floor in the mid 70's they had 6-71's! Tilt that huge hood and there was that little Detroit sitting in that huge engine compartment.

You could write a book on Reo, Diamond T, then Diamond Reo, then Giant and the guys who tried to make a go of it in the end in Pennsylvania.

 

[Taylortractornut]

My sorry crackhead neighbor had a nice A50 mack with al lthe glass lights even the ones on top of the head lights and all the trimm. His dad turned down 3500 for it one time then passed away and the son scrapped it. He offered it to me for 50. I got the manoey right then and went to his house he then refused to take it and the scrapped it. Its a cryingshame a complete truck gone. I did help save an old 190 IH KB7 IH with a period Citgo tanker body. A Packard hook and ladder truck, and a B81 Mack.

We run DM rolloff trucks at work a 1972, 76 and an 89.

 

[Bob Rooks]

I hear NOTHING out there could touch an E9...

Oh yeah, it was the Cummins NHC-CT-270. United Parcel had a fleet of them in single axle Petes with a Fuller 7-speed transmission - pulling doubles. Trans-Western Express out of Portland, OR. was using a similar set up to pull joints (triples) along the I-5 corridor. Shortly prior to that Con Freight and Freightliner abandoned their gas turbine doubles tractor project, was said to be too "thirsty". I was fortunate to see it in Seattle - coolest sounding truck ever...:thumbsup:

E9 = Cummins 903TI

 

[John Deere 55]

We have an A50 and one of those rare A54's If you name some kind of old Mack, we have probably have owned one. We have owned over 700 antiques.

 

[groundcover]

John Deere 55 - I vote for a TBN reunion at your place ! :thumbsup:

 

[John Deere 55]

Wait whats TBN? And what state are you in? Because we have an antique truck hangout day where we all Work together pulling them out and trying to get them running. The sad thing is when people come over and don't help and they just watch 2-5 people busting a**

 

[Bob Rooks]

Wait whats TBN?

Tractor By Net

:laughing:




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[SLHawkins]

My favorite Macks are the R-models and Superliners. However, the new Rawhide Edition Pinnacle Series are looking pretty sporty too:licking:

 

[5030]

Minor correction-White never became Freightliner. White in the old days marketed Freightliners and for a time they were "White Freightliner" but it was a marketing deal. Freightliner of course was ultimately aquired by Daimler and then Daimler then poured a ton of money into it.-and probably ruined the class 8 business with their crazy deals-but that is what you get when you are selling fleet orders 5000 at whack with big guaranteed residuals.

White on the other hand was GM's safety valve when GMC got out of the class 8 business and for a time the GMC Brigadiers were sold as "White GMC". Strictly a scam as I understand it to keep them from getting sued by the GM Dealers.

White was eventually aquired by Volvo who in turn ultimately aquired Mack from Renault. Let's keep our fingers crossed thsat the Swedes don't end up pulling the plug on Mack. I was in Macungie PA in June which is where the last Mack Assembly plant is and it was booming. Yard full of completed units awaiting shipment.

Oh yes- as many know, Jac Nasser, the idiot running Ford in the laste 90's, gave the Ford class 7 and 8 truck business to Daimler (who renamed it Sterling) for 300 million bucks. At the time ford was a solid 20+ % of the class 7 market and a 8-10% of class 8. 10 years later, Daimler pulls the plug on Sterling. That is one way to get rid of competition!

Anything Diamler is a dirty word with me. My company made a bid to buy Western Star years ago from parent company in BC but was turned down. Diamler bought the company, promised that the plant would stay in Kelona and then turned around, closed the plant and moved the entire operation to Portland and builds WS side by side with FL's. The Western Star shares components and the quality has slipped to almost FL status.

My favorite Macks are the R-models and Superliners. However, the new Rawhide Edition Pinnacle Series are looking pretty sporty too:licking:

Nothing sporty about a Tier 4 emissions compliant diesel engine with a blue filler cap and 20 grand of emissions related components.

Like it or not, NG is on the way. It's a matter of economy of scale.