Bleeding Hydraulics, 1966 Ford 5000, Loader

[Soundguy]

sounds like you have the regular twin stick 8spd, and an early one since it is a seperate sump.

so far everything points to that.

soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

All this is exactly why, I am upset over the switch er rooo, they did on me. Everything is old style. Now this does not exactly mean, its bad, just not newer style. Since you handle mostly older tractors than this, you know what I mean. but that is the models you like to collect or work on, or have worked on. So many are restoreding the old tractors, they can't be all bad.

We never heard from the loan company. I guess it don't matter to them either. I am gettting rather tired of messeing with it all. Might cost less to fix what I got, since its already in my yard. This one has the 233 engine, they upgraded mid year 1968 to the 256 engine and inproved stearing, and etc etc etc.

 

[Soundguy]

actually.. the twin stick / seperate sump deal was pretty standard right up till the later models.. and it is a good bullet proof trans.

soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

Ok thanks sound guy, because I have no idea, whats going to happen in the next couple days. I still may wind up with this tractor. Just can't tell yet. So I definatley want it working as when it was delivered.
Please send and post that pic when you can, and look at the pics I posted to see it those are the locations your talking about.

Good news, we settled on $1,000 back on the tractor. I do feel much better now, but darn was it all a hassle. So I got the ford 5000 for $4,000. Needs a lot of work, but this is a good start.

One thing though. The book calls for SAE 30, that was in 1966. Can I use the new multi grade 15w40 diesel grade motor oil thats now available or should I hunt for SAE 30. And they do not make a non detergent oil that I know of. though it didn't say that.

 

[Ervin Smith]

I finally figured out the hydraulic problems I have been having all this time. The owner manual helped. The 3 point lift, control has to be all the way up for the assilury hydrolic remote to work the loader. i didn't know that. The book also says I could make them both live all the time by putting it in another port. But maybe I should live it like it is.

 

[Soundguy]

Good news, we settled on $1,000 back on the tractor. I do feel much better now, but darn was it all a hassle. So I got the ford 5000 for $4,000. Needs a lot of work, but this is a good start.

One thing though. The book calls for SAE 30, that was in 1966. Can I use the new multi grade 15w40 diesel grade motor oil thats now available or should I hunt for SAE 30. And they do not make a non detergent oil that I know of. though it didn't say that.

15w40 for sure.. that's what I run in my 5000.


soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I finally figured out the hydraulic problems I have been having all this time. The owner manual helped. The 3 point lift, control has to be all the way up for the assilury hydrolic remote to work the loader. i didn't know that. The book also says I could make them both live all the time by putting it in another port. But maybe I should live it like it is.

AHH.. ASC port. I thought you were running off a top cover remote.

soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

Of course i didn't know any difference, thats where they put it. But the owners manual says there is the other option too. so both run at the same time. I might change it. Then, I don't have to always remember to pull out or push in that knob when switching back and forth

 

[Ervin Smith]

Help again.

Another line broke. I replaced all the bad looking ones this time. Again, I changed the fluid because it still was cloudy looking to me. Used it for a hour or so. And not it has stopped working. Checked the level of the fluid, it is fine. But nothing works again. It worded for over a hour, so the lines must have fluid in all of them.

Any Idea, what I should try now? Thanks all for you help in the past.

 

[Ervin Smith]

New problem

Hello, my tractor, looked like it had water in the trany. So I drained it, sure enough. Well its old 1966, my first time changeing it.
It has rained a lot lately, so before i added the new fluid, I checked to be sure it had drained completely, and about 2 quarts of water came out. HELP.

The rain must be getting in somehow. So I ran the water hose all over the tranny houseing for a hour, and the shift levers, filler plug. And nothing came out.

Help. Any idea, how the water is getting into the transmission? PS, the covers are off the engine being painted.

 

[Soundguy]

betcha a suction filter is all emulsified up...

 

[Ervin Smith]

Hello everyone, Finally figured out how to get back on here. My nervous disability and medication, It just took me awhile to figure it out. hahaha
HELP: Recently, In April, 2012, I was using my tractor to blade the communitie Roads. Another Hyd line broke. this time, I replaced the two main lines, cause it was one of them. Also changed hdr fluid to be sure I had the water out. Used it one hour, and everything, the 3 point hitch, and the front end loader stopped working. And now I notice the PTO isn't spinning either. Dealer says maybe the screen is stopped up. Yeah right. Anyway Do you have any suggestions, what I might try now? I think the pump went out completely, but that does not explain why the PTO isn't turning now.
Also they say i have to break it in half to clean the screen. CAN'T be true. Can it? Now I have pics of the tractor on here. ok 1966 Ford 5000. With front end loader. Kelly 800 series. Thanks for your help Ervin Smith

 

[Ervin Smith]

betcha a suction filter is all emulsified up...

Oh Ok, thats what they mentioned. Do I really have to break it in half to access the sucktion hose filter? Or can I access it from the top, under the seat from that big opening, where the hydrolic line goes in. ??

 

[Soundguy]

tried to reply to the pm, but you have your account setup to not rcv pm's.

I think you can get that filter under the hyd cover.. on a 2000/3000 you can.. but my parts manual is not at work with me.. take a look at the exploded diagram.

this also assumes your laoder is run of fthe internal hyds..e tc.

 

[Ervin Smith]

i did some editing, and tried to make it where i recieve PM ok.
Again, thanks for you help. Its great to have someone more knowlegable about tractors a person can turn too. Half the time, i do not know if a dealer even knows what they are talking about, hahaha.

 

[Ervin Smith]

To access a filter on the hyd system seems to be would be insane if you have to break the tractor in half to do so. Even a idiot would not make it that hard for the common farmer to service such a part. thats why i thought the dealer was wrong about this. It just don't make sense. haha.

 

[Soundguy]

did you take a look at the explode dparts diagram?

 

[Soundguy]

check #45 if no DP

5000-SERIES 4 CYL TR / 10B02 HYDRAULIC PUMP ASSEMBLY, GEAR TYPE - 5000, 7000
5000-SERIES 4 CYL TR / 10B02 HYDRAULIC PUMP ASSEMBLY, GEAR TYPE - 5000, 7000
Key Qty Part Number Part Name Description
1 D0NN600G HYDRAULIC PUMP Hydraulic Pump Assy., Includes: Ref. 1 thru 36, Start Year: 01/01/1965
1 D2NN600B HYDRAULIC PUMP Pump Assy., Hydraulic, W/Dual Power, Replaces P/N D0NN600E & P/N C7NN600M, Includes: Ref. 1 thru 36, Start Year: 06/01/1973
1 1 D0NN965B BODY Body, Front, W/ or L/Dual Power, Start Year: 01/01/1965
2 2 C5NNN612A BEARING ASSY Bearing Assy., Front Gear, Start Year: 01/01/1965
3 1 C5NNN660A GEAR Gear, Driven, Front, No Longer Serviced, Must Order Pump Assy., Start Year: 01/01/1965
4 1 C5NN866A GEAR Gear, Drive Front, No Longer Serviced, Must Order Pump Assy., No Longer Serviced NHNA., Start Year: 01/01/1965
5 1 84071 WOODRUFF KEY Key, Woodruff #5, 1/8" x 5/8", Start Year: 01/01/1965
6 1 C7NNN621A COUPLING Coupling, Drive Gear, Tongue & Groove, When replacing parts C5NN-N619-B, C5NN-N621-A, or C5NN-N691-A on Tractors built prior to "1-67", parts C5NN-N619-C (1815437), C7NN-N621-A (1819756) & C5NN-N691-E (181543
7 1 C5NNN619C COVER Cover, Rear, Except w/Dual Power, When replacing parts C5NN-N619-B, C5NN-N621-A, or C5NN-N691-A on Tractors built prior to "1-67", parts C5NN-N619-C (1815437), C7NN-N621-A (1819756) & C5NN-N691-E (1815439) mu
7 1 D2NNN619A COVER Cover, Hydraulic Pump, Rear, w/Dual Power, No Longer Serviced NHNA., Start Year: 06/01/1973
8 1 377362S O-RING O-Ring, Cover to Body, Use w/# C5NN-N619-A which used (1) Seal to Body, Start Year: 01/01/1965
8A 1 E0NNG978AA SEAL Seal, 2" I.D. Cover Outer, Use w/Cover which uses (2) Seal to Body, Start Year: 01/01/1965
8B 1 C7NNG979A SEAL Seal, 1.562 I.D. Cover Inner, Use w/Cover which uses (2) Seals to Body, Replaces 380602S, Start Year: 01/01/1965
9 2 C5NNF844A SEAL Seal, Cover, Outer, Start Year: 01/01/1965
10 8 C5NNN604A WASHER Washer, Cover Bolt Lock, No Longer Serviced., Start Year: 01/01/1965
11 8 86509310 NUT Nut, G5, 3/8"-24, Start Year: 01/01/1965
12 5 C5NNN605B BOLT Bolt, HH, 3/8"-24 x 3-5/8", Start Year: 01/01/1965
13 1 C5NNN608A BOLT Bolt, HH, 3/8"-24 x 4-5/16", No Longer Serviced NH-E., No Longer Serviced NHNA., Start Year: 01/01/1965
14 2 C5NNN611A BOLT Bolt, HH, Dowel, 3/8"-24 x 4-5/16", Start Year: 01/01/1965
15 1 C5NNN614A BEARING ASSY Bearing Assy., Rear Gear, No Longer Serviced, Must Order Pump Assy., Start Year: 01/01/1965
16 1 C5NNN691E GEAR Gear, Drive, Rear, Tongue, Except w/Dual Power, When replacing parts C5NN-N619-B, C5NN-N621-A, or C5NN-N691-A on Tractors built prior to "1-67", parts C5NN-N619-C (1815437), C7NN-N621-A (1819756) & C5NN-N691-
16 1 C5NNN691F GEAR Gear, Drive, Rear, Tongue, w/Dual Power, Start Year: 06/01/1973
17 1 C5NNN692A GEAR Gear, Driven, Rear, Except w/Dual Power, No Longer Serviced, Must Order Pump Assy., No Longer Serviced., Start Year: 01/01/1965
17 1 C5NNN692B GEAR Gear, Driven Rear, w/Dual Power, Start Year: 06/01/1973
18 1 D0NNN610A BODY Body Assy., Rear, Except w/Dual Power, No Longer Serviced, Must Order Pump Assy., Start Year: 01/01/1965
18 1 D2NNN610A BODY Body Assy., Hydraulic Pump, Rear, w/Dual Power, No Longer Serviced., Start Year: 06/01/1973
1 C7NNG969A BALL Ball, Rear Cover Valve, w/Dual Power, .234 Dia., No Longer Serviced., Start Year: 06/01/1973
1 C7NNN628A SPRING Spring, Rear Cover Valve, w/Dual Power, Start Year: 06/01/1973
1 C7NNA606B ADJUSTMENT SCREW Screw, Adjusting Cover Valve, w/Dual Power, Start Year: 06/01/1973
19 1 C5NN974B COVER Cover, Front, No Longer Serviced NH-E., Start Year: 01/01/1965
20 1 NLS No Longer Serviced Washer, Drive Gear Seal, Start Year: 01/01/1965
21 1 E97GF9 SEAL Seal, Drive Shaft, Start Year: 01/01/1965
22 1 CAR40181 SNAP RING Circlip, Drive Shaft, Start Year: 01/01/1965
23 1 C5NN908B GEAR Gear, Start Year: 01/01/1965
24 1 87891 NUT Nut, Jam, G2, 7/16"-20, Start Year: 01/01/1965
25 1 957E994633 LOCK WASHER Washer, Lock, 7/16", Retaining Tab, Start Year: 01/01/1965
26 1 E106GF9 SEALING WASHER Seal, Plug, Start Year: 01/01/1965
27 1 E101GF9 PLUG Plug, Service Tapping, FTO-E, No Longer Serviced NHNA., Start Year: 01/01/1965
28 1 E105GF9 O-RING Seal, Relief Valve, Start Year: 01/01/1965
1 D2NN7N490A HYD CONNECTOR Connector, Control Tube to Pump Assy., W/Dual Power, Start Year: 06/01/1973
29 1 C7NN638E HYDRAULIC VALVE Valve Assy., Relief, Replaces C5NN638C, Includes: Body & Ref. 30 thru 34A, Start Year: 01/01/1965
30 1 C7NNG964A O-RING Seal, Start Year: 04/01/1968
31 AR 957E994613E SHIM Shim, .010, No Longer Serviced NHNA., Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1968
31 AR C7NNN627A SHIM Shim, .010 (.254mm), Start Year: 04/01/1968
31 AR C7NNN627B SHIM Shim, .015 (.381mm), Start Year: 04/01/1968
31 AR 957E994613F SHIM Shim, .025 (.635mm), No Longer Serviced NHNA., Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1968
32 1 C5NNN628B SPRING Spring, No Longer Serviced NHNA., Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1968
32 1 C7NNN628B SPRING Spring, No Longer Serviced., Start Year: 04/01/1968
33 1 957E906B Seat, No Longer Serviced NHNA., Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1968
34 1 957E994601C Valve, U.K.-Antwerp, No Longer Serviced NHNA., Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1968
34 1 C7NNN626A HYDRAULIC VALVE Valve, Start Year: 04/01/1968
34A 1 C7NNG963A PIN Pin, Start Year: 04/01/1968
35 1 C5NNB891A VALVE SEAT Seat, No Longer Serviced NHNA., Years: 01/01/1965-03/31/1968
35 1 C7NN651A DRIVER SEAT Seat, No Longer Serviced., Start Year: 04/01/1968
36 1 C7NNG964B SEAL O-Ring, Start Year: 01/01/1965
37 1 E7NN915BA GASKET Gasket Pump to Center Housing, Start Year: 01/01/1965
38 1 81829207 SEALRING SEALRING, .55" x .107" Thk, Pressure Port Oil Seal, Start Year: 01/01/1965
39 1 D9NNN883AA GEAR Gear Assy., Idler, W/Creeper Gear & Hydr., When used on tractors prior to 12-68 supply one (ea.) C9NN-7N085-A (81822276), C9NN-7N071-B (81824350) & WAA-4221-A (81854761) (Refer to pg. 7C5) AARAs Required, S
40 1 C5NNN635A WASHER Washer, Idler Gear Thrust, Years: 01/01/1965-12/31/1968
41 1 D9NNN637AA WASHER Washer, Dr. Gear Ret (With Flat), Start Year: 01/01/1965
42 1 97720S36 SNAP RING Ring, Snap, Ext, 2.250", Start Year: 01/01/1965
43 AR 81547 LOCK WASHER WASHER, LOCK, 7/16"
44 6 9627887 BOLT BOLT, Hex, 7/16"-14 x 1 1/4", G5, Full Thd, Start Year: 01/01/1965
45 1 C5NNN994J FILTER Filter & Pipe Assy., Intake, 5000 Less Dual Power, Start Year: 01/01/1965
45A 1 D2NNJ981B FILTER Filter & Valve Assy., Intake, 7000 U.K.-Antwerp, Start Year: 10/01/1971
45A 1 D2NNJ981B FILTER Filter & Valve Assy., Intake, 5000 W/Dual Pwr., Start Year: 06/01/1973
45A 1 D2NNJ981B FILTER Filter & Valve Assy., Intake, 7000 (U.S.), Start Year: 01/01/1965
46 1 E107GF9 DOWEL Dowel, Start Year: 01/01/1965
47 1 87054S94 O-RING O-Ring, 1.062" ID x .139" Thk, Start Year: 01/01/1965
48 AR 80681 LOCK WASHER Washer, Lock, 5/16"
49 2 87872 BOLT Screw, Cap, HH, G5, 5/16"-18 x 3/4", Start Year: 01/01/1965
50 1 354205S ELBOW Elbow, 1/8"-27 x 45� (Tube to Pump), No Longer Serviced NH-E., Start Year: 01/01/1965

 

[whodat526]

Oh Ok, thats what they mentioned. Do I really have to break it in half to access the sucktion hose filter? Or can I access it from the top, under the seat from that big opening, where the hydrolic line goes in. ??

how you can remove it is to pull the lift top then you will need to pull the hyd pump and the filter should come out the pump whole you might have to remove the pto clutch pack but you shouldn't have to

you remove the lift top so you can twist on the filter to remove it

 

[Ervin Smith]

Yes, thanks, i looked at the diagram in my I @ T service manual and can see this.. Going to try it when i get the garage cleaned out this week so i can get the tractor inside on a concrete floor. Well I plan on it anyway. It really hot here in Foley, Mo