diesel for generator

[dex3361]

get it.. use it alot during the warranty.. maintain it well. that's the best you can do.

good luck.

if they really did pattern it off a yanmar engine.. at least they started off good.

as for the head.. chinese generator heads ahve been coming over here a long time now..

soundguy

Yes it is a Yanmar like clone. Well made but not a Yanmar. Great design by Yanmar you know what they say imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

 

[LBrown59]

I am looking to buy a new diesel generator. The specs say "Diesel Low Sulfur Automotive Fuel Only".
1*Isn't the off road diesel I use in my tractor the same thing?
2*One of the reasons I was looking at a diesel generator is because I have the fuel on hand already for my tractor.

1*They only make one fuel now so how could it be different?
2*
This is why I would not consider anything but a diesel generator.

3*That is what I thought as well.
4*On another site this was posted as a reply from the generator manufacturer.

3* You are thinking correctly .
4*It's evident that the Manufacture is incorrectly interchanging the phrases off road and red dye in their statement,

5*I am suspicious of the claim that the dye causes problems.
6*There is a lot of expensive construction equipment meeting ITR4 and I have not heard any warning like that.
7* As I understand it, very little dye is used, it is extremely concentrated.
8*I suspect that any damage that happened was caused by off road fuel of unknown age/source which may have been high sulfur.
9*I could be wrong.

5*I don't support the claim period.
Some people who can't find or believe an answer will make one up.
6* Highly unlikely that you will.
7*Right on both parts.
8*Or any other contaminated fuel.
9*Not very likely.

Internal moving parts are best protected by a quality lubricant.
10* I would add either Cat diesel additive (which I use in all diesel engines anyway) or some other proprietary additives such as Lucas or Power Service Injection Pump Lubricant.
11*Sulfur in diesel fuel lubricates the injection components
12*Red dye is added to diesel
(which is all ULSD by the way) to denote the difference between road taxed diesel and off road (no road tax paid) diesel.
13* The dye makes it easy for a Federal Inspector to ascertain if you are using off road diesel in a road based (and tax applicable) vehicle and enforce the law accordingly.
14*Generators just like ag machinery are eligible for off road diesel.

10*I use PS.
11*Sulfur is not a lubricant but the process of removing the Sulfur also removes the lubricant right along with the sulfur.
12* This is the only purpose of the red dye .
It has no effect on the quality or function of the fuel in any way .
13*Exactly.
14*Anything not used or operated on a public road qualifies for off road diesel.

15*LSD is different than ULSD, just so you know.
16*And I second the use of an additive in ULSD. I use Power Service in my Jetta TDI and Tractor.

15* True but LSD is becoming harder and harder to find since the switch over to everything ULSD last year.
Since they aren't making any more LSD the current supply of lsd is running out and before long there won't be any of it left.
16*PS in the white bottle for me too.

17*I just emailed the distributor and asked why off road can't be used in their generators and here is their reply
.

17*They don't have their facts straight or are not up to date with TODAYS FUEL SITUATION

I agree to a point and that point is .
18*ALL DIESEL SOLD IN THIS COUNTRY IS USLD--ULTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL
19*Don't matter if it's red dyed or purple dyed.
It's all the same.

18*I know but people don't like change and have a hard time adapting to new things , ideas and ways of doing things.
19*No , not a bit.

 

[dlabrie]

I had a long conversation with someone from Aurora. He would not be convinced. Bottom line -use dyed diesel, void the warranty-. I figure For the amount of fuel I will use, I might as well buy on-road diesel. The only down side is, now I need another storage container

 

[Soundguy]

hey.. you can't blame a guy in sales. it's probably all he knows.. sales.. not specs. kinda like asking a radio shack employee something about a diode.. probably get a blank stare untill you asked them about a cell phone.. and maybee then not much reaction based on what I have seen lately..

soundguy

 

[LBrown59]

I had a long conversation with someone from Aurora.
1* He would could not be convinced. Bottom line -use dyed diesel, void the warranty-. I figure For the amount of fuel I will use, I might as well buy on-road diesel.
2*The only down side is, now I need another storage container

1*This guy is so ill informed that I'd have to think more than twice before buying anything from him .
Find another dealer / retailer that knows what they're doing\talking about if you want that particular Gen.
2*He is causing you all this greif and concern over nothing.
No way in heck would i get another another storage container to store the exact stuff that you already have on hand and pay more per gallon for it to boot .

Hey you can't blame a guy in sales.
3*it's probably all he knows.. sales.. not specs. kinda like asking a radio shack employee something about a diode.. probably get a blank stare untill you asked them about a cell phone.. and maybe then not much reaction based on what I have seen lately..soundguy

3*But certainly not enough for the OP to rely on to base a decsion to buy on .
I wonder if the OP has fully read the actual warranty for I doubt that it's stated anywhere in it that off road voids the warranty .

 

[dlabrie]

3*But certainly not enough for the OP to rely on to base a decsion to buy on .
I wonder if the OP has fully read the actual warranty for I doubt that it's stated anywhere in it that off road voids the warranty .

This is copied from the warranty-
This warranty does not extend to parts affected by accident and/or collision, corrosion or rust, normal wear, wrong fuel type or fuel contamination.

This is copied from the Manual-
fuel Type Diesel Low Sulfur Automotive Fuel Only.

 

[dmccarty]

This is copied from the warranty-
This warranty does not extend to parts affected by accident and/or collision, corrosion or rust, normal wear, wrong fuel type or fuel contamination.

This is copied from the Manual-
fuel Type Diesel Low Sulfur Automotive Fuel Only.

Diesel for on road use has to be ULSD. That went into effect last December. LSD can still be used off road, at least for now, in many states. I did a search and there are people reporting that LSD fuel is still available for off road use. In 2012 marine and locomotive engines will have to use USLD so you have to wonder if the refineries will still make LSD after that point.

Per your manual, it looks like it is specifying LSD fuel. The only way you would get that would be at an off road pump. The fuel would be dyed.

I just run on road fuel in my tractor. Not worth the hassle going to a station with off road pumps. I can only think of two stations that might have off road fuel. I do put fuel conditioner in the tractor fuel since it can sit for awhile before being used. I think I have only put anti gel conditioner in the truck once or twice. I just run the fuel from the pump.

Frankly, I don't think it is going to matter which fuel you run, unless you have a catalyst on the engine. But if it does, they should be specifying USLD.

Later,
Dan

 

[Ken45101]

Diesel for on road use has to be ULSD. That went into effect last December. LSD can still be used off road, at least for now, in many states. I did a search and there are people reporting that LSD fuel is still available for off road use.

A pump marked LSD could still be ULSD. ULSD meets the specs for LSD ("not more than...") Do you really think refineries make different batches, store and SHIP different variations? Do you think the local distributor stores and delivers different types?

Dyed diesel fuel is just standard diesel with the dye added to the batch.

I haven't checked with the distributor but my guess is that they add the dye when they put it in the delivery truck. I'll ask next time I get a delivery.

Ken

 

[LBrown59]

This is copied from the warranty-
This warranty does not extend to parts affected by
1*wrong fuel type .
This is copied from the Manual-
2*fuel Type Diesel Low Sulfur Automotive Fuel Only.

1*There is only on fuel type so if you can't use it what good is the Gen set ?
2*This sounds like the old fuel which is no longer produced .
Sounds like this may not be a current year model Generator if that's the required fuel . .

3*Diesel for on road use has to be ULSD. That went into effect last December.
4* LSD can still be used off road, at least for now, in many states.
5* I did a search and there are people reporting that LSD fuel is still available for off road use.
6* In 2012 marine and locomotive engines will have to use USLD.
7* So you have to wonder if the refineries will still make LSD after that point.
8*Per your manual, it looks like it is specifying LSD fuel. 8*The only way you would get that would be at an off road pump. The fuel would be dyed.
9*I just run on road fuel in my tractor.
10*I can only think of two stations that might have off road fuel
Frankly, I don't think it is going to matter which fuel you run, unless you have a catalyst on the engine.
11*But if it does, they should be specifying USLD.

3*Actually it went into effect long before that .
What happened in Dec.2010 was they stopped production of LSD which left only ULSD .
4*What you have to be careful about it is it is becoming older and staler and nearing or beyond it's shelf life,
since they aren't making anymore of it to add to the old supply to refresh it .
5*That is the left over supply still setting in tanks since they quit making it.
This stuff is getting older and older as the weeks and months go by.
6*I would say they are all ready using it since they don't make LSD anymore.
7*They all ready stopped making it last year.
I would not consider the idea of buying a generator that insist on an old out dated fuel that is getting stale laying around in storage tanks and will not even be available in the future,
9*You use the same fuel I do except I pay 30 to 50 cents a gallon less for it.
10*It's still the same stuff you are using but it cost less.
Or it could be some of the old going stale LSD.
11*Seem to me they are confusing on road off road red dye no dye ULSD and LSD and mixing them all up with each other and creating a great deal of confusion .
Anybody that confused or out of touch with todays fuel situation hardly appears like a good candidate to purchase a Gen set from.

12*A pump marked LSD could still be ULSD.
13*ULSD meets the specs for LSD ("not more than...")
14**Do you really think refineries make different batches, store and SHIP different variations?
15* Do you think the local distributor stores and delivers different types?
16**Dyed diesel fuel is just standard diesel with the dye added to the batch.
Ken

12*Correct they probably just never changed the label on the pump .
13*Actually it exceeds the LSD specs.
14*No I don't and that's probably why they went to ULSD only .
Saves money and makes everything simpler and easier.
15*No because ULSD is all they make.
16*Dying the diesel doesn't change the fuel just the price !

 

[DarkBlack]

Pretty Sad situation.
When Rudolf Diesel invented the diesel, one of it's main benefits was that the diesel could run on a variety of fuels. Fast forward 100 years or so, and now some copycat Chinese company, ripping off a Japanese design, that they improved in no way at all, has a potential US customer woried about a voided warranty from running a non-road taxed clean fuel. I'd look elsewhere just on the principle of the whole bs. Pride has a price.