Another Kioti Dealer Gone

/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #41  
capt jack said:
Kioti has a public relations dept. ???? I have one (DK55) I bought used CHEAP, it's a good machine, but I would NEVER buy a new one and put up with how Kioti treats customers and dealers. I have 2 Kubotas I did buy new because i know that dealer will still be here. Kioti says its a Korean company, but I believe its run by a guy named Gadhafi in Libya :D

Maybe someone should send that dept a link to this thread...
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #42  
1 of the 3 local Deere dealers also sells Massey's in my area. I have read of many other Deere dealers mentioned on TBN that sell other brands also. I don't think that John Deere is a Deere only company. If they are then they have some pruning to do.
It sounds like California still has some nice small dealers to deal with, but in the midwest they are becoming less common. They sell some shortline, but no other tractors. Deere's Frontier line, which sells everything from loader buckets to 750 bushel auger wagons was to compete with the shortline equipment their dealers were offering. Most of the Frontier equipment is rebadged shortline stuff from everyone.
We have went from 5 independent Deere dealers to 2 in the last 3 years. Four NH dealers are now all owned by one. There is a lot of pruning dealers and forcing mergers. We just had three owners and 4 stores merge. Deere stratigy is less dealers. Deere and CNH are all going with the Super Dealers in the midwest. Our CIH dealer is a multi-state dealer. We have one CAT dealer in the state that has pretty much taken over most of our local AGCO tractors and equipment. This has been and still is a major issue and fear with any shortline equipment manufactures being pushed out by the majors. There is less competition between dealers when you have less. Not good for the consumer on price and choice. I don't neccesarily agree with the stategy, but I do understand it.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #43  
It appears that consideration needs to be related to the area. I don't believe any dealership other than John Deere can survive in my area by just selling Kubotas. One sells Case and the other sells New Holland. You can buy a John Deere SCUT to a big Ag machine, but Kioti, Kubota etc. really can't cover this range and income from other sales help keep the doors open.

I agree. Kubota seems to not mind piggy backing with the Majors when they can. I have never seen Kioti sold at a major in our area. They seem to be sold at lawn mower dealers. The problem Kioti has then I would guess is their dealers want to spread their cost of keeping a small tractor diesel mechanic on staff is sell other small tractors. Daedong wants to spread its manufacturing cost by rebadging other colors. It seem the dealers that have been closed is the multi-competing brand dealers. I would think they need to measure dealer sucess in a different manner. Not all dealers are alike. Thank goodness! I still love my Kioti and just used it to load a bunch of round bales. It will stack them 2 high on my 20ft trailer!
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #44  
I was referred to Batchelder Sales by an antique tractor collector and enthusiast. As many have already mentioned, Dick Batchelder and Eric, his service tech, are second to none for sales and customer service. My being a newbie to tractors, it was due to them fitting my image of what a business should be that lead to my purchase of what turned out to be my first and later my second Kioti. I will continue to have them as my service center of choice and when needed the place I will buy my next tractor, which appears to be a brand other than Kioti.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #45  
Most car dealers can only sell one brand of car, if you had more brands you may still make the sale so would be your customer, but GM would not be happy if you sold a Ford and vice versa, Kioti should have asked existing dealer to drop other competing brands or if not then lose the Kioti brand. Seling used inventory is a different story, as your generally recouping your trade in selling cost.

Up here in Canada, the dealer I bought my Kioty from is now a 5 Paw dealer, but only sells Kioty, small operation, does OK, but they also sell chain saws, power tools generators, but only one brand of tractor, and I am sure it they tried to add other makes they too would be cut.

Just Kioti brand standing up to competition, we are big enought to be selective, Good or Bad time will tell.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #46  
Most car dealers can only sell one brand of car, if you had more brands you may still make the sale so would be your customer, but GM would not be happy if you sold a Ford and vice versa, Kioti should have asked existing dealer to drop other competing brands or if not then lose the Kioti brand. Seling used inventory is a different story, as your generally recouping your trade in selling cost.

Up here in Canada, the dealer I bought my Kioty from is now a 5 Paw dealer, but only sells Kioty, small operation, does OK, but they also sell chain saws, power tools generators, but only one brand of tractor, and I am sure it they tried to add other makes they too would be cut.

Just Kioti brand standing up to competition, we are big enought to be selective, Good or Bad time will tell.



This is not the case by far.
All around my area you will see just about every car/truck has another line.
Some have them on the same lot and other have separate lots.

My point is if that's what they want then why are they running around setting up the NH guys?
Why did my x rep tell me to get another line of tractors! He told me that I need to have equipment on my lot and we can't give you what you need when you need it!
That was the big reason why we took on Massey.

Guys most of you do not realize what goes on behind the scenes.
One of the major reason why dealer have more than 1 brand is because we need them to survive.
Manufactures can not meet demands all of the time.
I can remember when we couldn't get tires for months. Or backhoes, or loaders.
Last year we sold out of our Massey tractors and could not get any for 4 months!
Right now I just received a tractor that was ordered last April...Yes last April.
So this is NOT about multi line dealers.
I can tell you that there is only about a handful of dealers out here that only sell one brand.
 
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/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #47  
Most car dealers can only sell one brand of car, if you had more brands you may still make the sale so would be your customer, but GM would not be happy if you sold a Ford and vice versa, Kioti should have asked existing dealer to drop other competing brands or if not then lose the Kioti brand. Seling used inventory is a different story, as your generally recouping your trade in selling cost.

Up here in Canada, the dealer I bought my Kioty from is now a 5 Paw dealer, but only sells Kioty, small operation, does OK, but they also sell chain saws, power tools generators, but only one brand of tractor, and I am sure it they tried to add other makes they too would be cut.

Just Kioti brand standing up to competition, we are big enought to be selective, Good or Bad time will tell.

Laws protect that from happening.
If that's what MFG's want, then they will have to have a no compete clause in their contracts.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #48  
after reading through the threads and the opinions my thoughts are how many of us have suffered at the hands of the big dealerships ?
You know the attitude ,"thats the price either pay it or leave ,someone will be in right behind you " or " we will get to it when we get to it ,your not are only customer "
I am surrounded by the big names in tractors but choose batchelders because they are real people with an excellent reputation ,who listen and help thier customers through out the whole process , most importantly AFTER THE SALE !
I took the chance with kioti (which was an unknown tractor in the area before batchelder sales ) because of dick and judy's reputation and the fact if i had an issue I could talk to dick and get a strait answer, not some B.S. from a service manager who probably couldnt start a tractor in the first place :laughing:
I think if kioti is falling in line with the big guys mentality, they will be in for a rude awakening ,they are a good tractor but the are not one of the big guys !
Thier parts availability is questionable , thier loyalty to thier delears is laughable , and it would seem what they have for a customer relations dept. has been left wanting !
I also will continue my business with the batchelder family knowing that whatever it is they replace kioti with will be a product they will stand behind and the service will be better and more affordable than the big guys !
Besides why do I want to pay for that "big guys" fancy show room and help him support his inflated overhead ? It wont make my tractor run any better , all its going to do is take what little profit there is left at the end of the day :(
 
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/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #49  
Laws protect that from happening.
If that's what MFG's want, then they will have to have a no compete clause in their contracts.

I'm a bit surprised they are able to pull contacts so easily. Do they renew on a yearly or bi-yearly basis? I've hread several times from our OEM's how hard it is for them to shut down a bad dealer because state laws typicaly protect the retailer.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #50  
I am not a businessman, so maybe I am missing something, but it "seems" pretty simple. If you don't have stable dealerships, you won't sell tractors.

There are features on the Kioti I prefer to Kubota, but won't bother looking at them due to poor dealership network. If you have to share a building/lot with another brand then fine, let your product speak for itself. My dealer carries NH also and sells plenty of both.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #51  
It sounds to me like Kioti are trying to model themselves after Deere. One of the last small independant JD dealers also happens to sell Kubota. After a long conversation, he told me what he had to do to keep his JD shingle. He said they are making it harder and harder for the "small" guys to compete with the big distributors. Around here James Rivers is the one. He told me of a recently closed JD dealer, about how since he didn't sell enough tractors Deere back-billed him for all of his freight charges for the year, somewhere in the neighborhood of $64,000. Dealer couldn't pay it so JD yanks his sign and he has to close.
The Kubota dealer I bought from also carries Case/IH. The local Kioti dealer carries CC and mostly specializes in lawn care equiptment, but he does carry some tractors. NOt as many Kioti's on the lot as there has been though.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #52  
i got my letter from dick and judy last week they are good people and deserve my future business.when i saw kiotis in front of profile powersports i was thinking that they got a deal on some left over stock from someone that was closing.the place is a bike and sled shop not a place to bring your greasy muddy tractor to.the next tractor will not be a kioti but something batchelders sells.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #53  
.... I saw kioti's in front of profile powersports i was thinking that they got a deal on some left over stock from someone that was closing. The place is a bike and sled shop not a place to bring your greasy muddy tractor to....

There is a little difference between setting up a large tractor and un-crating a snowmobile.. I bet they will have a learning curve..
Good luck to them.. I need my resale value to stay up so I can get a new one from Dick !

I bought my Kioti from Batch's because I trust them. And they will continue to work on my CK20 when service is needed
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #54  
I am a tractor enthusiast, but first and foremost, I am a business owner and entrepreneur. I can see exactly what Kioti is doing and as a business owner, in order to be successful, you MUST learn that sometimes the very best thing you can say is NO, for your benefit but even more so, for your customers benefit. I read the attached article in the industry magazine and here is what I gleaned from it.

1. Kioti initially came into the U.S. and took on anyone who could meet their dealership eligibility standards. I have started and owned many successful businesses over the years so I have dealt with a variety of entities. When a new company to the marketplace is trying to gain a foothold, they will accept just about anyone as a dealer that will accept them. That is a huge mistake for a variety of reasons, which Kioti seems to be realizing.

2. Kioti realizes that it costs more to have 500 dealers selling 10,000 tractors each year than it costs 150 dealers to sell 8,000 tractors per year. These numbers are purely for example to make my point. The cost to support marginal volume dealers is much higher than people realize. Why do you think GM and Chrysler gutted their dealership network with the courts authority when given the once in a lifetime chance? The sheer cost of supporting a wide number of dealers can easily be the difference between a corporate profit and a loss at the national level.

Let's say we have two farmers. Both are going to plant 1,000 acres of corn all on land leased. The first, farmer A plants (10) 100 acre fields all within 10 miles of one another. Farmer B, plants (100) 10 acre fields and they are spread over a 20 miles geographic area. Now one could make the argument, unsupported by facts, that by geographically spreading the fields over a larger area, they have less weather risk of a hail storm doing severe damage to a large portion of their crop. That has to be the only advantage farmer B could ever claim with his arrangement.

On the other hand, by having 10x the number of land owners and rental agreements to deal with, Farmer B has a much higher administrative cost to produce the same amount of corn. He has more lease agreements to write, more rent checks to deal with and higher costs because he is driving further between the fields to plant, fertilize, harvest the corn. Now, let's really change this game.

Both farmers irrigate their crops. Now think about the incredible investment Farmer B will have in replicated basic equipment to irrigate 1,000 acres of corn in 100 different fields verses 10 fields of 100 acres. I think perhaps the cost of dealing with lots of small dealers is becoming very apparent. After all, both farmers still get the same price per bushel for their corn. It's the gross production costs which will determine the difference in the farmers net profit at the year end.

Comments were made in the article about how many dealers were reluctant to modernize. They didn't come right out and say so, but instead said, "the days of doing business on a legal pad and scratch paper are gone" or something to that extent. When a dealer is ordering 3 tractors a year and not stocking any parts inventory, the long term relationship between the dealer and the manufacturer is not shared in an equitable investment by the dealer. The dealer sees the manufacturer only as "a source" of potential income. If they sell tractors, great. If they don't, they will sell something else.

Today's consumer is a strange bird. They insist on beating the dealer down as far as possible on price and then they seem mystified when the dealership goes out of business. I would never begrudge any business owner out of their ability to make a profit as I certainly insist on making one in my businesses. A deal where no one profits is truly a bad deal for everyone as your dealer could close and you end up driving 2 hrs to get service.

I expect a return on my capital investment as well as my labor and I expect those I am dealing with hopefully feel the same. The negotiation is on how much profit I will keep or how much I feel is fair for the company selling me the product or service. Be realistic in your assumptions of what you think is reasonable for the "other guy" to make. If what you demand he accept would be unacceptable to you were the tables turned, you are the classic definition of a Hypocrit. If your not sure what the means, please look it up because you really don't want to be one as it makes being happy in life much more difficult.

Today's consumers are their own worst enemy. They insist on paying the absolute minimum for items they buy, but then bitterly complain when American jobs keep shipping overseas. You insist on Snap On Quality tools at the YingYang tool company price. Then you act amazed when the tools don't last.

PRICE, QUALITY, SERVICE. Pick any 2.

Sorry this has turned into a lecture. I hope that those of you considering Kioti tractors continue considering them. Those of you who haven't looked at them before, when given the chance, consider them. They are responding to what you the consumer has demanded. And No, I don't work for Kioti. I don't even own any tractor dealerships at the moment. I am always looking for opportunities so that could change.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #55  
longdistancerider-
i must say i agree with you. You give a pretty good analogy. On the flip side, the dealer is question seems to be a reputable dealer that BACKS his product. This is very rare! In this case I believe Kioti needs to spend a little more time researching the "fat" as they begin trimming. I've been searching for a tractor for months now and can not find a dealer I'm comfortable giving my hard earned money too! Every one the the Charlotte, NC area acts like they are doing me a favor to sell me a tractor at the 0% financing rate! I'm looking to pay cash and not pay for the BUILT in INTEREST RATE! Then they shy away from the question about supporting the tractor after the sale! This has forced me to the point I'm thinking about ordering across state lines, as I have found numerous dealers willing to negotiate away from the full MSRP price and ship for 2-3000 in savings! If the locals don't want to talk about support after the sale why wouldn't I buy out of state. I guess what i'm trying to say is... If I had reputable dealers like Batchelder Sales and Wallace I would be glad to pay extra for that warm and fuzzy feeling this guys obviously give their customers!
My message to Batchelder Sales and Wallace, to **** with Kioti management. It is obvious Kioti has made a mis-cut in trimming the fat!! Wish you guys were closer to Charlotte, NC!
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #56  
kayaker-While they don't sell Kioti.. Jeremy Brooks at Brooks Sales in Monroe is a great guy to deal with. And as well, Chad at Whitley's Lawn and Garden in Monroe, who is a Kioti dealer.

Both are long established dealers. My ZTR came from Whitley's and my BX25 from Brooks. I've been well pleased with both, although I've only had the tractor for a few weeks.
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #57  
Thanks for the input. Brooks is on my list to visit, I have heard numerous good reports about them.
I have been to see Chad, and thought that's where i would buy my tractor but he was pushing one tractor in particular on his lot and would not meet a price I received from another Dealer in Vale, NC, which was 1,000 cheaper. When i asked for a quote on another tractor(kioti) they priced it ridiculously high and continued to push me towards the other? They also down played the kioti? I wonder if their partnership is about to end?
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #58  
Thanks for the input. Brooks is on my list to visit, I have heard numerous good reports about them.
I have been to see Chad, and thought that's where i would buy my tractor but he was pushing one tractor in particular on his lot and would not meet a price I received from another Dealer in Vale, NC, which was 1,000 cheaper. When i asked for a quote on another tractor(kioti) they priced it ridiculously high and continued to push me towards the other? They also down played the kioti? I wonder if their partnership is about to end?

hey if you want a kioti tractor and they wont talk buy the bobcat , thier pricing and sales programs are better and they have a more diverse line of implements ,plus i think the bobcat has a better loader design .
If your looking for a tractor in the 40+ h.p. range you might want to check out yanmar cubs new Lx line ! thats where i'm at, with a 5 year warranty and the whole tractor is built by yanmar ,
p.s. not trying to cut out your local dealer , remember there is more to buying the tractor than price , service after the sale is more important
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #59  
Funny you mention Bobcat and CC Yanmar! Those are the 2 top picks at the moment. The CT230 and the EX3200. I know the CT has s few more "Deluxe" features but i'm really liking the CC partnered with Yanmar! My only concern with the CC Yanmar is their lift capacities seem to be a little lacking compared to the CT. You have any advice?
 
/ Another Kioti Dealer Gone #60  
Thanks for the input. Brooks is on my list to visit, I have heard numerous good reports about them.
I have been to see Chad, and thought that's where i would buy my tractor but he was pushing one tractor in particular on his lot and would not meet a price I received from another Dealer in Vale, NC, which was 1,000 cheaper. When i asked for a quote on another tractor(kioti) they priced it ridiculously high and continued to push me towards the other? They also down played the kioti? I wonder if their partnership is about to end?


Yeah, he tried HARD to put me in a CC/Yanmar:laughing: The price for the HK 20s gear with fel and bh was about 2 grand more than the Kubota bx25. And I agree, with no more than he had on the lot, I'm wondering if Kioti isn't about to drop him as well. When I bought my ZTR 3 years ago his lot was full of 'em.

Stop by and see Jeremy. I liked him because he's the owner. The price he gives you is the lowest he can go. I got a few extras, but not a lot. My price on a delivered BX25 was the lowest I've seen.

If you don't mind going out of town, try Pageland Hardware. They sell Kubota and Deere, although they don't have many Kubotas on the lot and I didn't see any Deere. They were actually $100.00 less than Brooks, but I would have to eat that 8% SC sales tax.
 

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