Why people tresspass

[MarkV]

Good story Tractorshopper and you are right. It is easy for us to vent our frustrations without looking at the individual situation. I have had to ask some honest hunters to leave my property, they had permission to hunt an adjoining property and didn't know the lines well. They were polite and so was I. Honest mistake in my book. It is the other group that most of us here are venting about. Which is a shame because they are the ones that make me less likely to let anyone come on the the property.

MarkV

 

[funwithahoe]

Question: If you give somebody permission to be on your land, does that increase your liability, versus if they're trespassing on it?

I'm pretty sure people trespass sometimes on the 60AC I bought a few months ago. I don't mind (yet, since I don't live there yet) but I'd hesitate to actually tell them to go ahead. I might say the word "No" while nudging my head toward it like "go ahead".

What do ya'll think?

Tell 'em to stay off. - Life is way easier. Oh by the way - My uncle was shot with a 30-30 in buck season on my father's (at the time) unposted land. It would be great if people were respectful but they aren't. It's not you're fault that they aren't but the responsible people of the world will always have to solve and deal with the problems of the irresponsible. I have a super nice neighbor who just had to stop down to "appologize" for some people he let hunt who had wondered over to me. He is a super guy but now has to go clean up messes people made for him. If I didn't understand the situation, it would be easy to be upset with him - I am sure that's what he expected when he came to see me. Save yourself the frustration and potential shootings and be firm!

 

[dmccarty]

Question: If you give somebody permission to be on your land, does that increase your liability, versus if they're trespassing on it?

It is going to depend on the laws of your state....

The NC Extension office has a page/doc regarding land owner liability. Bottom line in NC is that a properly posted property makes it very hard for a trespasser to have a case against the landowner. If the trespasser falls in a stump hole and sues they have to get past the fact they were breaking the law when they got hurt.

This wont provide 100% protection from getting sued but it will make it very hard for them to win.

I post the land. I check the boundries a couple of times a year. I post per the law regarding the size of the signs and how far apart they can be. We carry insurance. I chase anyone off the I know about. No exceptions.

In the past people to our front have wanted to walk our road for exercise. The answer is no. One, want our privacy. Two we do not want the liability. If that sounds harsh we just had two small trees come down in a wind storm. We had not noticed them. If someone had been on the property with our permission and been hit........

Later,
Dan

 

[dave1949]

Question: If you give somebody permission to be on your land, does that increase your liability, versus if they're trespassing on it?

That varies by state, you really need to knw your state's laws.

A few states, such as Maine, have very good landowner liability laws. Basically, if the access is free of charge or other consideration, you have no liability. Doesn't mean you cannot be sued, no landowner has ever lost such a case though in Maine is the belief.

Once you get into 'fee for access' situations, then it's a whole different ball game.
Dave.

 

[MarkV]

Dave and others are right it does depend on you state. Then even if you think you understand the rules you still run the risk of being sued. Don't stay up at night about it. We bought some peace of mind by adding an umbrella liability policy to our insurance. I think 2m cost us less than $200 per year and covers several properties we have.

MarkV

 

[/pine]

if you want definitive answers...check with a local attorney that is familiar with writing hunting leases...

 

[funwithahoe]

It is going to depend on the laws of your state....

The NC Extension office has a page/doc regarding land owner liability. Bottom line in NC is that a properly posted property makes it very hard for a trespasser to have a case against the landowner. If the trespasser falls in a stump hole and sues they have to get past the fact they were breaking the law when they got hurt.

This wont provide 100% protection from getting sued but it will make it very hard for them to win.

I post the land. I check the boundries a couple of times a year. I post per the law regarding the size of the signs and how far apart they can be. We carry insurance. I chase anyone off the I know about. No exceptions.

In the past people to our front have wanted to walk our road for exercise. The answer is no. One, want our privacy. Two we do not want the liability. If that sounds harsh we just had two small trees come down in a wind storm. We had not noticed them. If someone had been on the property with our permission and been hit........

Later,
Dan

Who care's about them - I agree with this poster!!!?? Just in case - Kick them off - What is the benefit to you to allow them to hunt there? How does that benefit you????

 

[incubus2432]

About 10 years ago when I lived in the city I came home from dinner with my wife and found an unfamiliar car parked in my driveway. At that time of year there was a street festival nearby and it wasn't uncommon to have cars parked on both sides of the street (illegally) or to have the driveway blocked partially. I usually just dealt with the inconvenience every year but to have someone actually park in my driveway was a bit much.

So my wife went in the house and I proceeded to get my tools from the garage and removed the wheels from the car. I was careful to not damage the wheels and the car was placed gently on blocks. I was simply going to leave the wheels stacked in front of the car with the lugnuts in neat piles of five. Just sending a message (what type of message and what I hoped to accomplish I have no idea.......just spite I suppose).

Just as I put my jack and pneumatic ratchet away and am going into the house I hear someone yelling from the end of my driveway......it's one of my best friends (and his wife) who had decided to park his new car in my driveway to go to the festival. Good times, good times.......:thumbsup:

 

[MarkV]

About 10 years ago when I lived in the city I came home from dinner with my wife and found an unfamiliar car parked in my driveway. At that time of year there was a street festival nearby and it wasn't uncommon to have cars parked on both sides of the street (illegally) or to have the driveway blocked partially. I usually just dealt with the inconvenience every year but to have someone actually park in my driveway was a bit much.

So my wife went in the house and I proceeded to get my tools from the garage and removed the wheels from the car. I was careful to not damage the wheels and the car was placed gently on blocks. I was simply going to leave the wheels stacked in front of the car with the lugnuts in neat piles of five. Just sending a message (what type of message and what I hoped to accomplish I have no idea.......just spite I suppose).

Just as I put my jack and pneumatic ratchet away and am going into the house I hear someone yelling from the end of my driveway......it's one of my best friends (and his wife) who had decided to park his new car in my driveway to go to the festival. Good times, good times.......:thumbsup:

That's too funny to make up. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

MarkV

 

[RadarTech]

Agree - I fsomeone buys a vehicle for a couple hundred thousand you would never dream of asking to use it but property seems to be free reign.

Last people I kicked off was a man/women who looked like they were getting ready to REALLY enjoy each others company. Must have been an affair cause these weren't kids and man they wanted outta here in the worst way. No confrontations just let me outta here.

hey wait a minute aint that like a right to be married.. enjoyment of the spouse's company in a location of your choice???

:laughing:

J

 

[RadarTech]

We have only owned our land for 10 years now. Snow storms only happen every few years and I wait patiently to get The Photo of our snow covered road....

One year we got a decent snow so I drove out to the land to see if I could find The Photo and to check on the place. I get to our gate across the road and someone on an ATV had ridden around the gate and over some survey stakes from a survey I had just had done. They then drove up the road. Found my tractor in the woods. Road around it a few times, did some donuts in the road and went on home.

To say that I was p....ed off was an understatement.

With the snow on the ground it was not hard to find the house from which the ATV came and went. So I knocked on the door.

There is scurrying behind the door. Whispers. Then the door opens and it is the lady of the house in s bath rope. We had a conversation about the ATV tracks that left her house, went up to my land, ran over my survey stakes, went around my POSTED GATE, and finally drove all over my road and spoiled my pretty picture. Ok, I may have left out the pretty picture part.

This conversation took awhile which was fine by me. I was dressed for the weather. Long Johns. Heavy wool pants, shirts, jacket and hat. I was a bit warm. She, not so much standing in the door way. :laughing: She kept inviting me in the house which I would not venture since I would drag in snow. Which is what I told her. And I was being very polite. Of course I did not want to be in HER house at all. So she had to stand in the door way with the cold.

She did take care of the problem and the son never trespassed again. These people moved out a few years ago.

Fast forward to this year. We get another snow storm. I go for a walk. I get to down the driveway to the road looking for The Photo. And what do I find?

Tracks. Someone had walked in, around the gate and left foot prints all over the place. I was going for a walk to anyway so I followed the prints. They went right back to The House. I saw the nit wits who trespassed but I left them alone. There were a young couple who were visiting their parents. The snow was melting quickly so The Photo was not there in any case so I just left well enough alone.

Maybe I am mellowing in my old age?

Later,
Dan

I think a few of these:
ATAFA.com: Airsoft M18A1 Claymore Mine

and a couple of good signs...

maybe hook up a motion detector up to it...



J

 

[RadarTech]

Our 11 year old daughter is the same way. We continously harp on her about it. Telling her "If it ain't yours, don't touch it!" just seems to fall on deaf ears. Drives my wife and myself nuts trying to get her to understand.

We've tried time-outs, slapping her hand, spankings...doesn't seem to matter. She'll turn around and do it again in ten minutes without giving it a second thought.

Maybe she'll get it if you take something that is her's tht means the world to her and then make up a "sell" to get the point..

"sell" a bunch of her stuff that has meaning...


I have some junk and if someone takes it so be it..
BUT if you mess with some of my favorite possessions, stand by as you will be in a world of hurt...

J

 

[RadarTech]

Question: If you give somebody permission to be on your land, does that increase your liability, versus if they're trespassing on it?

I'm pretty sure people trespass sometimes on the 60AC I bought a few months ago. I don't mind (yet, since I don't live there yet) but I'd hesitate to actually tell them to go ahead. I might say the word "No" while nudging my head toward it like "go ahead".

What do ya'll think?

Interesting thought here...
Last week I went to a project site where we had to cross a major manufacturer's campus to get to our project site.
BEFORE we could do that we had to take the 2 hour safety brief, have verified PPE, get a picture ID issued and then were told about all these safety rules on what we could not do....

I think this is because their insurance was libel for us since we were on their property...

J

 

[farmfun]

I think a few of these:
ATAFA.com: Airsoft M18A1 Claymore Mine

and a couple of good signs...

maybe hook up a motion detector up to it...



J

This is why I absolutely love this site ....:thumbsup:
Keep rolling - maybe we can't eliminate the issue completely, but darn if we can't have some fun in the process.

 

[RadarTech]

This is why I absolutely love this site ....:thumbsup:
Keep rolling - maybe we can't eliminate the issue completely, but darn if we can't have some fun in the process.

I borrowed one from a friend and boy did I have fun with some destructive animals...




I told a co-worker I would put it in my office to keep down on visitors....


J

 

[dcyrilc]

About 10 years ago when I lived in the city I came home from dinner with my wife and found an unfamiliar car parked in my driveway. At that time of year there was a street festival nearby and it wasn't uncommon to have cars parked on both sides of the street (illegally) or to have the driveway blocked partially. I usually just dealt with the inconvenience every year but to have someone actually park in my driveway was a bit much.

So my wife went in the house and I proceeded to get my tools from the garage and removed the wheels from the car. I was careful to not damage the wheels and the car was placed gently on blocks. I was simply going to leave the wheels stacked in front of the car with the lugnuts in neat piles of five. Just sending a message (what type of message and what I hoped to accomplish I have no idea.......just spite I suppose).

Just as I put my jack and pneumatic ratchet away and am going into the house I hear someone yelling from the end of my driveway......it's one of my best friends (and his wife) who had decided to park his new car in my driveway to go to the festival. Good times, good times.......:thumbsup:

That's too funny. I assume the perp had help putting the tires back on?:ashamed:

 

[dcyrilc]

I think a few of these:
ATAFA.com: Airsoft M18A1 Claymore Mine

and a couple of good signs...

maybe hook up a motion detector up to it...



J

These might be fun too.

Defender Paintball Mine Package Model: RPF-2262
Buck Lure Scented Paintball Model: RPF-4211

Especially the "Buck Lure Scented paintballs" :laughing:

 

[funwithahoe]

About 10 years ago when I lived in the city I came home from dinner with my wife and found an unfamiliar car parked in my driveway. At that time of year there was a street festival nearby and it wasn't uncommon to have cars parked on both sides of the street (illegally) or to have the driveway blocked partially. I usually just dealt with the inconvenience every year but to have someone actually park in my driveway was a bit much.

So my wife went in the house and I proceeded to get my tools from the garage and removed the wheels from the car. I was careful to not damage the wheels and the car was placed gently on blocks. I was simply going to leave the wheels stacked in front of the car with the lugnuts in neat piles of five. Just sending a message (what type of message and what I hoped to accomplish I have no idea.......just spite I suppose).

Just as I put my jack and pneumatic ratchet away and am going into the house I hear someone yelling from the end of my driveway......it's one of my best friends (and his wife) who had decided to park his new car in my driveway to go to the festival. Good times, good times.......:thumbsup:

That is explative explative great!!