Why people tresspass

/ Why people tresspass #61  
Tresspassing is a small problem here compared to what it was back in the uk but i really have a problem with snowmobiles . 75% stick to the gro0med trails in the country but you get the "weekenders" that ride out from the city and think any snow is fair game regardless of what crop might be under there.
Very glad to see last year the police making examples of some last year with hefty penalties locally..About time too !
 
/ Why people tresspass
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#62  
Surprisingly little problems with snowmobiles considering that I ice fish and beat a trail off the lake to my back door. The only machine that ever crossed my yard was a four stroke. A week later I was fishing with a buddy and Mr 4 stroke dropped by. :) I mentioned the trespass, his reply was something along the lines of "uh, when was that?" He stays away now. Most snowmobiles trespass in the adjacent camp. Since the local pub closed snowmobile traffic isn't as much of an issue any more. It's just local fishermen, some of whom have permission.
 
/ Why people tresspass #63  
Do not go gentle into that good night, Dan. Rage, rage against the ... trespassers ;)

Believe it or not, and you should believe it, my post was even longer. :D I know it is hard to believe that I write up long posts. :laughing:

The second story I had in the post did Rage, rage against the trespassers. :D:D:D:D:D

But I cut out the story. The story was not political but I could see that within three to four posts in response to my story this thread would get locked. So I edited. :laughing:

Later,
Dan
 
/ Why people tresspass #64  
'Good old boy' retaliation can be sever in my area so I tread lightly whenever I can. Have had people pull up and park in my drive to go fishing and tell me to my face I can't stop them because they have fished here all their life. Can you imagine parking your car next to someone's house and argue with them that you shouldn't have to leave when they tell you to?

The wonderful neighbors we had back in the city used to regularly block our mail box. And every once in a while our driveway. This was in a subdivision in the city.

They could not understand why this was a problem. I was nice about it twice......

Then the POlice got called from then on. They got lots of tickets. :D Well, I did not call the POlice one Sunday at 0800 when I came home from the land after spending 36 hours watching a burn pile. I woke up the drug dealer to move his girl friends car. :D He had some attitude that morning. I was not buying any. He left in the car in a huff. :laughing:

Later,
Dan
 
/ Why people tresspass #65  
Do not go gentle into that good night, Dan. Rage, rage against the ... trespassers ;)

Believe it or not, and you should believe it, my post was even longer. :D I know it is hard to believe that I write up long posts. :laughing:

The second story I had in the post did Rage, rage against the trespassers. :D:D:D:D:D

But I cut out the story. The story was not political but I could see that within three to four posts in response to my story this thread would get locked. So I edited. :laughing:

Later,
Dan

Dan, I was just responding to your "Maybe I am mellowing in my old age?"

Post all good stories! Long & short ...
 
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The story was not political but I could see that within three to four posts in response to my story this thread would get locked. So I edited. :laughing:

Later,
Dan

Good job Dan (and probably a few others too). :thumbsup: I'm also withholding details to avoid an "inappropriate tangent" to this discussion.
 
/ Why people tresspass #67  
What about the guy that asks if he can cross you're hay field with his four wheeler to pick berries on someone elses land? I asked if he had permission to pick the berries. He said prevous owner always let him. I told him to use the road to get there, and that he needed to ask the current owner. He had the nerve to argue that it would be alright because it used to be OK. I said use the road.
 
/ Why people tresspass #68  
Dan, I was just responding to your "Maybe I am mellowing in my old age?"

Post all good stories! Long & short ...

Oh, I know you were joking. :laughing: No harm. No foul. I thought your post to my post was funny! :D:thumbsup: So I had to post to your post about my post. ;)

Later,
Dan
 
/ Why people tresspass #69  
To answer the question of the OP...Lack of respect for other peoples property
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And they learn it from their parents in many cases..

I've had my fill of ATV trespassers damaging my fields. Why is it that every renter that can't afford to buy a house will have a truckload of ATV's that they think they are entitled to ride on others properties. Fortunately the ones near me have moved out (were evicted), so it has been quieter lately.
 
/ Why people tresspass #70  
And they learn it from their parents in many cases..

I've had my fill of ATV trespassers damaging my fields. Why is it that every renter that can't afford to buy a house will have a truckload of ATV's that they think they are entitled to ride on others properties. Fortunately the ones near me have moved out (were evicted), so it has been quieter lately.

I don't know why that is either. It seems owning, or making payments on :), an ATV includes the God given right to ride it on someone else's land. It's just plain ignorant that someone believes because they own something the world owes them a place to use it. It's goes far beyond ATVs too.
Dave.
 
/ Why people tresspass #71  
I'm constantly amazed by some of the attitudes I observe in the middle school where I work; it seems that the concept of "private ownership" has been largely replaced by one of "community ownership"...

Kids seem to think it's perfectly OK to pick up anything they need if they see it sitting there. Not sure what the cause is, perhaps having too much handed to them? I often repeat my "motto" to kids... "If it ain't yours, don't touch it!"

I've a feeling the concept of private property --or lack thereof-- may have similar roots; everyone believes they're entitled....:(

No need to apologize, Tig!

Our 11 year old daughter is the same way. We continously harp on her about it. Telling her "If it ain't yours, don't touch it!" just seems to fall on deaf ears.:mad: Drives my wife and myself nuts trying to get her to understand.

We've tried time-outs, slapping her hand, spankings...doesn't seem to matter. She'll turn around and do it again in ten minutes without giving it a second thought.
 
/ Why people tresspass #72  
I don't know why that is either. It seems owning, or making payments on :), an ATV includes the God given right to ride it on someone else's land. It's just plain ignorant that someone believes because they own something the world owes them a place to use it. It's goes far beyond ATVs too.
Dave.

I suspect they think, "Cool, I got my new ATV!!! Look at that thing! Wow! Hmmm, now where the heck can I ride it?? Well, there's some land. Wonder if I can ride there? It's probably private property. Well, they might not mind. But they might! But they might not. But ... I don't have any where else to ride nearby, so I'm going for it. Gonna ask for foregiveness later." (or get angry/ defensive/ nasty/ abrasive if they're a-holes)
 
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But that's part of our culture. I can't count the number of times I heard " better to ask forgiveness later " at work. There is a lot of that in American culture - commit a sin, then ask forgiveness, your good to go!! PTL & Hallalujah!!! ( Please leave $$$ in the plate )
 
/ Why people tresspass #78  
These may not be the cheapest, but they work incerdibly well and are VERY visible....

3D Post - Not Your Average Sign

Those are nice. Though in NC they would not meet the legal standard for a post sign. The statute specs out the size of the sign and how the signs have to be posted.

Those would be easier to spot in the brush. I paint the top of my TPost when I use them to mark a survey pipe/pin. But after a year or so the paint fades. :eek:

Later,
Dan
 
/ Why people tresspass #79  
Long winded post here:

Been on both sides of this issue. Before anyone freaks, let me explain:

About 13 years ago when I was 24, I went to hunt an area I hadn't hunted before. It was on the state game management area (GMA) map. I parked my truck well within where this property followed the road line and was about 100 yards from the nearest yellow diamond marker (GMA marker). I didn't cross any fences nor see any private property signs on my way into the woods or while in the woods.

I set up in a tree about a tenth of a mile from my truck (still well within the map's location) and waited for the buck of lifetime to decide he wanted to come right to me.

About 20 minutes later some older guy in a white T-Shirt and shorts (bow season starts Sept 15th here) comes stomping through the woods and looking around. When he got near enough to me to talk, I said, "Hey buddy, I'm trying to hunt here". He looked up and replied something like, "Sorry, but this is my property and I'm looking at trees to take to the mill."

Well, I immediately felt like a complete fool and climbed down and went over to him and apologized profusely and told him about the discrepancy in the GMA map and told him I'd be on my way out of his hair immediately and once again that I was terribly sorry for trespassing.

Before I could turn around, this guy showed complete grace and started talking with me about where the real property boundaries were and the lay out of lines and land. He went on to tell me that he's only ever let one other guy hunt there, but he'd be okay with it if I wanted to hunt his 60 some acres that borders the GMA land as long as I bowhunted only or if I wanted to rifle hunt later that I stop in his drive and tell him where I'll be at. He walked me around his trails to some degree and showed me his garden where he was trying to keep the deer out and felt like I could help him with his deer problem (He didn't know that I'm not a very successful hunter :laughing:). I've always been grateful for the example he set and his grace letting some young punk have access to prime deer habitat. I'm sure my profuse apologies helped.

Back to the point - sometimes a true error can occur and if no signs or marking is put up, someone may not know that it is not public land and trespess on accident.

I also hunt elk and mule deer on public land in Colorado nearly every year and the laws are different in that state. Property owners are not obligatigated to mark their properties in any way whatsoever. The onus is on the sportsman to know where they are at. The difference is that out there, you can buy maps of each area that have private property colored yellow so you have a tool to use to avoid trespassing. I like that system just fine.

Years later, I now have a little property of my own and have access to a private 30 acre lake from my "farm". I don't live there yet, but occasionally find beer cans while I'm mowing out there and it irritates me pretty good. Also the good old boys use the private lake at their liesure like another poster stated about his. They've told another neighbor that they can fish it all they want because they've been fishing it since Pappy used to take them. I'm getting ready to start building out there in about a month and I'm sure I'll actually start seeing this first hand and having run-ins.

I'm not the kind of guy that would get ill and not show grace when it's been shown to me, but I will say that if someone wants to access, they can ask politely and recognize that it's not theirs and that they have no rights in this matter when they don't have any dog or $ invested.

We need to teach our kids these lessons. Common respect for others and others' property goes a long way. Beer cans trashing up my property won't help. I can totally understand their desire to keep fishing the lake Pappy took them to, but I also hope they'll understand that it's not some constitutionally given right and that they can just come and go as they please and trash the place too.
 
/ Why people tresspass #80  
Question: If you give somebody permission to be on your land, does that increase your liability, versus if they're trespassing on it?

I'm pretty sure people trespass sometimes on the 60AC I bought a few months ago. I don't mind (yet, since I don't live there yet) but I'd hesitate to actually tell them to go ahead. I might say the word "No" while nudging my head toward it like "go ahead".

What do ya'll think?
 
 
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