BX1850 engine trouble

   / BX1850 engine trouble #41  
drag_slick,

I don't think you had an oil pressure problem. Even if you did loose pressure for a couple of seconds every once in a while, I don't think that would be enough to destroy crank bearings. I also don't think that Kubota would design a tractor engine that would loose oil pressure on a slope. I have had my RTV900, GL3130, L45, and my BX1860 on extreme slopes both up, down, and sideways and have never seen my oil pressur light com on. Maybe you should have a machine shop look it over.

Gary T.
 
   / BX1850 engine trouble #42  
I have to turn around. The tractor is unable to back up the hill due less traction with the AGs in reverse.
larry.
 
   / BX1850 engine trouble
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#43  
I have to turn around. The tractor is unable to back up the hill due less traction with the AGs in reverse.
larry.

I think if I could have done this I would have been ok, gravity would have forced the oil back, but my fence is at the bottom of the hill so I had to back up the hill so the front stayed pointed down.
 
   / BX1850 engine trouble #44  
Spyder, what weight and brand motor oil are you running?

but I also don't know of anybody with a fleet of diesel trucks, compressors, generators and tractors that runs Amsoil either.



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   / BX1850 engine trouble #45  
Wow, this thread has gone weird. I don't buy the slope explanation either. No way.

If you are at a severe enough angle to starve your oil pickup, you are not operating. You are either sliding or rolling over. :eek:

PLENTY of things to worry about running a tractor on a slope. The engine self-destructing ain't one of them.
 
   / BX1850 engine trouble #46  
Yup,

It starved definitely. as the lower sump is the last line of defense as I have mentioned previously descfribing the inclines in terraced rice paddies.

I am so sorry it happened.

it sounds like you will need to add an external oil pump with a manual switch to keep the lower sump filled if you have to push snow like that from now on if you do not fill the upper sump to the full mark
 
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   / BX1850 engine trouble #47  
Yup,

It starved definitely. as the lower sump is the last line of defense as I have mentioned previously.

I am so sorry it happened.


How are you so sure it starved of oil? For me to say this, I would have to have the oil pan for a BX in my hand and see where the pick up is. I'm not saying it isn't possible, I just haven't seen it on my BX. I have also gone up and down hills, that if they were any steeper, they we be very unsafe.
 
   / BX1850 engine trouble #48  
How are you so sure it starved of oil? For me to say this, I would have to have the oil pan for a BX in my hand and see where the pick up is. I'm not saying it isn't possible, I just haven't seen it on my BX. I have also gone up and down hills, that if they were any steeper, they we be very unsafe.

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I have worked on them enough to tell you that the lower sump is the redundant oil reservoir and if the oil flows out of it no oil returning, the engine is wadded.


The twin slopes in the mine where I used to work are 21 degrees and they engines on our boss buggies had to be overfilled- filled high mark upper sump and filled lower sump to provide proper lubrication and for oil to reach the pump and strainer hence 2 dipsticks in all the small engines as you can have a filled lower sump and a short on oil upper sump and still kill it.



Dont forget you are sitting two feet or so above the ground which makes your eyes and brain think its even steeper due to your line of sight vision and you would have wadded your engine if it was steeper.

Rack railways are not as steep as funiculars but are still very steep and the engines are tilted down creating a level engine while ascending to counter the angle of attack required to ascend the funicular rail path and incline.

funicular rail lines are much steeper in many places and are unable to use diesels for propulsion and have to have a counterbalanced system with a second tram to provide energy to move in opposite directions on the funicular.


Terraced rice paddies are very steep and often located above 21 degrees in incline on the mountains and hillsides-hence the 2 sumps to provide oil pressure when riding down the decline, the lower sump and oil intake is always flooded when when ascending the incline.


the rice paddy terrace farms are why the smaller engines has two sumps as the wadded a lot of the small diesels before they found out what killed them all.


It wont hurt the crancase any as the breather relieves all the crankcase pressure anyway.


A tractors center of gravity is quite a bit higher and above the oil sump or crank so that an entirely different animal versus oil pumping

Thats why the tilt meters are so nice to have in the tractor to remind you about the center of gravity and how little wiggle room you have.

Perhaps it may be simpler to just blow the snow over the bank
and not worry about pushing it from now on?

Granted I have no knowledge of your snow removal needs but that seems to be the lesser of two evils.
 
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   / BX1850 engine trouble #49  
Dumped the oil and cut the filter apart and there was a bunch of metal shavings so the engine was yanked and dropped the pan off. Looks like the main bearings are shot, the crank can be wiggled about 1/8". [[I still would like a description of this play in the crank]]
Just trying to figure out what happened here and if I did something to cause it. Unfortunatley the tractor's a year out of warranty so I'm guessing I'm outta luck.

Any thoughts?

I think if I could have done this I would have been ok, gravity would have forced the oil back, but my fence is at the bottom of the hill so I had to back up the hill so the front stayed pointed down.
Could be I suppose, but I would call that negligent design unless oil was below the "safe" level marked on the stick. I agree with rdsaustintx below.

Wow, this thread has gone weird. I don't buy the slope explanation either. No way.

If you are at a severe enough angle to starve your oil pickup, you are not operating. You are either sliding or rolling over. :eek:

PLENTY of things to worry about running a tractor on a slope. The engine self-destructing ain't one of them.
Im thinking the crank has excessive endplay. 1/8" anything else should be making a lot of noise. Seesawing de planed the rod bearings and the resulting lowered pressure worked on the mains too.

Yup,

It starved definitely. as the lower sump is the last line of defense as I have mentioned previously descfribing the inclines in terraced rice paddies.

I am so sorry it happened.

it sounds like you will need to add an external oil pump with a manual switch to keep the lower sump filled if you have to push snow like that from now on if you do not fill the upper sump to the full mark
Whats this upper an lower sump stuff. .. and how is the lower going to be empty if theres oil in the upper. Doesnt the upper drain into the lower?
larry
 
   / BX1850 engine trouble #50  
Could be I suppose, but I would call that negligent design unless oil was below the "safe" level marked on the stick. I agree with rdsaustintx below.


Im thinking the crank has excessive endplay. 1/8" anything else should be making a lot of noise. Seesawing de planed the rod bearings and the resulting lowered pressure worked on the mains too.


Whats this upper an lower sump stuff. .. and how is the lower going to be empty if theres oil in the upper. Doesnt the upper drain into the lower?
larry




puuuleease if the nose is down hill and the oil is not filled full in both sumps the lower sump will starve the oil pump if the angle of decline is steep enough and the oil pressure and splash lube cannot grab any oil!!!!!!

Up hill wont matter as the lower sump will be flooded due to the incline


The tip off was the oil sample report as the bearings were already damaged.
 

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