Tubs

[woodlandfarms]

I am busy admiring that 1460, looking at how it is put together.

PT claims that the tubs are different per machine, but man, that tub really looks identical to the 1850, except for the pin locations for lift and tilt.

Is there a wall size thickness or any sort of difference? Maybe this week I will take some measurements and post them up.

Carl

 

[frischtr]

American Bulldog's 1460 compared to SpringHollow's 1850

The 1850 looks longer and thinner, the 1460 shorter and deeper. The front section is shaped differently also. The 1460 also has much thicker plate if I'm not mistaken.

 

[American Bulldog]

Yeah the 1460 is heavier for sure. Just look at the specs. The 1850 weighs 3800 pounds, and the 1460 weighs 5600 pounds. Same engine too. I bet your 1850 goes up hill a lot easier though.

The nameplate on my Deutz says 64 HP. Not sure why they call the 1460 as 60 HP and the 1850 as 65HP..... They both get the same engine.

That is kind of the reason why I got the 1460 as opposed to the 1850. Heavier built, less cost, more lift, and it can still handle 30 degree slopes.

 

[woodlandfarms]

If I were to do it over again, I probably would go with the 1460 and figure out how to make it dualies...

 

[American Bulldog]

If I were to do it over again, I probably would go with the 1460 and figure out how to make it dualies...

The 1850 is a great crawler and mower, but it is a little limited as a loader. I think it is overpriced compared to the 1460. PT has the "world's only 45 degree slope mower" and they price it that way. $7000 more gets you a 1800 pound lighter frame, a fire extinguisher, a brake tender, an extra set of smaller tires, and a seat that swivels.

Dualies would not be a problem as far as turning and all. I think that PT doesn't want people putting dualies on the 1460, because they wouldn't be able to sell the 1850 then.

 

[SpringHollow]

I talked to Terry about adding duals to the 1460 since I need duals to limit ground impact on my 1850, no less for a 2000 lb heavier 1460. He said the wheel motors just could not take the force.

Ken

 

[American Bulldog]

I talked to Terry about adding duals to the 1460 since I need duals to limit ground impact on my 1850, no less for a 2000 lb heavier 1460. He said the wheel motors just could not take the force.

Ken

That makes sense. The farther the tires go out, the more pressure there is on the front bearing of the wheel motor. This tractor has no suspension whatsoever, so the wheel motors take a pounding to begin with.

I put the new tires on my 1460. With tires like this, who needs duals? Tires are about 16" wide, and about 1/2" less diameter than the stock skid steer tires.

 

[woodlandfarms]

So BD, how good are you with a welder. I think the Loader has a slight design flaw. IMO, the tines should have some more support, another piece of steel going across closer to the tips. And then the tips should then have a gusset.

I guess it depends on how abusive you are, but I bent my tips on a heavier duty version of what you have fairly quickly. One log slipping around tortionally could really wreack havock.

But, that machine is beautiful and HUGE. pretty neat.

Carl

 

[American Bulldog]

So BD, how good are you with a welder. I think the Loader has a slight design flaw. IMO, the tines should have some more support, another piece of steel going across closer to the tips. And then the tips should then have a gusset.

I guess it depends on how abusive you are, but I bent my tips on a heavier duty version of what you have fairly quickly. One log slipping around tortionally could really wreack havock.

But, that machine is beautiful and HUGE. pretty neat.

Carl

Yeah I hear you. I proposed that issue to PT, but they said that the tines are made from special spring steel, and they have quite a bit of bend to them. If that is the case, at least they will bend before they break.

I have already beat them up pretty good. I grabbed a rock that was so heavy that it lifted the rear end of the tractor off the ground, and the tines survived that. So far no problems, but like you said it would be pretty easy to beef them up with a welder. Make them more like this:

 

[SpringHollow]

I put the new tires on my 1460. With tires like this, who needs duals? Tires are about 16" wide, and about 1/2" less diameter than the stock skid steer tires.

Much of the time, i can not run my PT 1850 with singles on my trails because the trails are so soft. With duals, the PT exerts the same pressure as my atv.

Each of our tires are 12" wide so duals give us 24" versus your 16". Add the extra 1800 pounds that your tractor has compared to mine (~ 50% increase to my tractor's weight) to the narrower total tire width and I am then saying "Houston, we have a problem".

Your tractor with the 16" tires has about the same ground impact as my tractor with just one set of 12" tires on it.

Ken



Ken

 

[American Bulldog]

Much of the time, i can not run my PT 1850 with singles on my trails because the trails are so soft. With duals, the PT exerts the same pressure as my atv.

Each of our tires are 12" wide so duals give us 24" versus your 16". Add the extra 1800 pounds that your tractor has compared to mine (~ 50% increase to my tractor's weight) to the narrower total tire width and I am then saying "Houston, we have a problem".

Your tractor with the 16" tires has about the same ground impact as my tractor with just one set of 12" tires on it.

Ken



Ken

I stand corrected, lol. You have some soft sloppy stuff to drive through. I will say one thing, my tractor is probably a little better than yours with singles, because the tire is larger diameter as well. 31" vs. 26". However, the tires are listed at 15.5" wide, and are actually more like 15" of ground contact. I will keep you all posted as to how it goes through the wet stuff.

I know from my days of mud bogging pickup trucks, that larger diameter tires can really help your situation. That is why conventional tractors have those ridiculous tires on the rears.

 

[SpringHollow]

Taller tires will not help with the damage. With chains on, it usually will go through mud trenching more than i would like. The trenches then hold water making the problem last longer. So i try to time my work when the trails are not quite so wet. The duals do a reasonable job of squishing down the ridges/filling the trenches after things have dried out some. I will do more drainage work when i have time. The ditches and culverts i put in on some of the trails have made it where i can go on them during the "drier" times. I do not know that i have ever seen my trails parched even when the nearest city has been in a severe drought. My traditional CUTS (28 and 45 HP) would be lucky to be able to go down the trails even one day in a year without ruining them. The log skidder with the HUGE chains/tires (tires taller than I am) got buried. They had to wait a few days and brought in a large dozer which stayed on drier ground and winched it out.

Ken

 

[American Bulldog]

Taller tires will not help with the damage. With chains on, it usually will go through mud trenching more than i would like. The trenches then hold water making the problem last longer. So i try to time my work when the trails are not quite so wet. The duals do a reasonable job of squishing down the ridges/filling the trenches after things have dried out some. I will do more drainage work when i have time. The ditches and culverts i put in on some of the trails have made it where i can go on them during the "drier" times. I do not know that i have ever seen my trails parched even when the nearest city has been in a severe drought. My traditional CUTS (28 and 45 HP) would be lucky to be able to go down the trails even one day in a year without ruining them. The log skidder with the HUGE chains/tires (tires taller than I am) got buried. They had to wait a few days and brought in a large dozer which stayed on drier ground and winched it out.

Ken

Daaammmmnnnn!!!!

We should call you "Shrek", because you live in a swamp.... lol.

 

[SpringHollow]

funny thing is that i have hardly any flat ground - most is a 10 -20 degree slope with very steep ravines. But my ground is clay and shale with lots of springs.

Ken

 

[MossRoad]

funny thing is that i have hardly any flat ground - most is a 10 -20 degree slope with very steep ravines. But my ground is clay and shale with lots of springs.

Ken

Yeah, you think it would drain off with slopes. Geology is a funny thing, ain't it?

 

[American Bulldog]

Much of the time, i can not run my PT 1850 with singles on my trails because the trails are so soft. With duals, the PT exerts the same pressure as my atv.

Each of our tires are 12" wide so duals give us 24" versus your 16". Add the extra 1800 pounds that your tractor has compared to mine (~ 50% increase to my tractor's weight) to the narrower total tire width and I am then saying "Houston, we have a problem".

Your tractor with the 16" tires has about the same ground impact as my tractor with just one set of 12" tires on it.

Ken



Ken

I ran my tractor through a whole lot of varied terrain this weekend, and the tires do really well in wet areas. However, they struggle going up steep slopes. The machine has so much weight and the tires struggle for traction, ripping up the lawn at a 25 degree slope. It won't even go up a 30 degree slope, so PT definitely overrates this tractor a bit.

For those who need to do 25+ degree slope mowing, I would not recommend the PT 1460. Spend the extra $ and get the 1850. 1800 pounds less, combined with dual wheels, make for a much better slope mower. Anything less than 25 degrees, the 1460 works OK.

 

[woodlandfarms]

Wow, very interesting observation. I was all jealous and stuff. Still am but good to know...

 

[American Bulldog]

Wow, very interesting observation. I was all jealous and stuff. Still am but good to know...

The best thing about the 1460 is that I can't see myself bending anything on the lift arms. It is really built heavy. That extra 1800 pounds has to go somewhere.....

 

[ponytug]

On the 1445, I have the same issue with spinning out on loose soils on steep slopes. I know Ken has added really nice chains that has dramatically ameliorated the issue.

Do a search on the chains.

All the best,

Peter

 

[MossRoad]

On the 1445, I have the same issue with spinning out on loose soils on steep slopes. I know Ken has added really nice chains that has dramatically ameliorated the issue.

Do a search on the chains.

All the best,

Peter

Do a search on the chains? I had to do a search on ameliorated!!! :laughing: