A Credible Global warming Scientist!

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BBC News - Today - Lovelock: 'We can't save the planet'

 

[Patriotic Stabilist]

For those of us in the south, not good news this year.

The Atlantic waters are the hottest they have ever been for this early in the year. They are in the 80's all the way from Africa to the gulf. They are predicting many hurricanes this year with quite a few major ones. I have been expecting to hear this. Normally I keep my AC off till June, but this year it has been on all May, very unusual. DD and I don't mind it being warm, but this year the heat and humidity got unbearable.

Yesterday evening we got a sudden popup storm and got 3 inches of rain. That sure was welcome.

But I'm really concerned about how hot its going to get this summer an the hurricanes for sure.

 

[bstrom]

BBC News - Today - Lovelock: 'We can't save the planet'

Interesting. He seems like a bit of a fatalist to me though, it would be interesting to know what his religious views are and if they are tied into his scientific views at all.

So man is a little responsible but it's not really our fault and we can't do anything about it. Interesting.

It would be interesting to know more detail about how the earth puts out huge quantities of carbon dioxide on its own. I haven't heard of this but it bears more research. I haven't done any research into how climate events have occurred in the past except what I hear. I'm just a total layman myself but I'm skeptical that science is now tied into religion and politics from both viewpoints so I never know if I'm getting straight science.

 

[dcyrilc]

I'm just a total layman myself but I'm skeptical that science is now tied into religion and politics from both viewpoints so I never know if I'm getting straight science.

It always has been. Even Galaleo (sp?) dealt with those issues because of his dramatically differing opinion from the excepted view.

 

[Patriotic Stabilist]

Got my first 25 gallons of gas for generator for hurricane season. It's $2.549 at Sam's right now. 15 more gallons to buy. I have 10 on hand but its getting old need to use that up. I also in the summer keep all the vehicles full. A few years back we were reduced to siphoning for the generator. When you could finally get gas I was filling 5 cans as were others and they were talking about not letting people do that. They said people were hoarding, we weren't hoarding we were using it to keep our fridges, freezers, well pumps, and lights on.

 

[charlz]

This is what I said "However, in my opinion, (based on the correlation of global warming with the population explosion and the Industrial Revolution) that probability [cause is natural] is much lower than the probability that human activity is the sole cause or at least a major contributing factor." So your re-statement is partially correct.

But we know that the climate has changed many, many times before man was a potential factor. So why now is man the key factor and all those 'natural' climate changing factors no longer relevant?

Correlation is not causation: "Everyday rekees4300 wakes up and everyday people die in traffic accidents. Therefore rekees4300 is the cause of traffic accidents."

 

[charlz]

It would be interesting to know more detail about how the earth puts out huge quantities of carbon dioxide on its own. I haven't heard of this but it bears more research. I haven't done any research into how climate events have occurred in the past except what I hear. I'm just a total layman myself but I'm skeptical that science is now tied into religion and politics from both viewpoints so I never know if I'm getting straight science.

You don't remember the 'Carbon Cycle' from school?:

 

[rekees4300]

But we know that the climate has changed many, many times before man was a potential factor. So why now is man the key factor and all those 'natural' climate changing factors no longer relevant?

Correlation is not causation: "Everyday rekees4300 wakes up and everyday people die in traffic accidents. Therefore rekees4300 is the cause of traffic accidents."

Man is now the key factor because there are more humans (6,800,000,000) alive now than have lived in past 4 million years of human history.

Correlation is causation: "Everyday 6.8 billion humans emit CO2 into the atmosphere trapping the sun's heat and everyday the Earth gets warmer. Therefore 6.8 billion humans are the probably the cause of the Earth getting warmer.

 

[rekees4300]

It would be interesting to know more detail about how the earth puts out huge quantities of carbon dioxide on its own.

Carbon Dioxide - Natural Sources and Sinks of Carbon Dioxide | Climate Change - Greenhouse Gas Emissions | U.S. EPA

 

[kevindsingleton]

It's one thing to read excerpts and commentary, and another to read the actual reports. I couldn't find where NASA reported an increase in Arctic ice on the NASA site. Some British paper said something like that. Might be like the climate scientist's complaint against the work of another guy who was predicting a certain rise in sea level due to GW. The doubters loved that and jumped right on it....unfortunately, they failed to note that the complaining scientist felt the other author had under calculated the effect. The scientific literature is a bit like the Bible. Decide what you want to see and by gosh, there's your proof. Check out Roy Spencer's page for the latest global temperature. It's current to April. Spencer doesn't believe in AGW, so I guess his reports of the temps are believable?

CO2 keeps going up, too:

Trends in Carbon Dioxide

But that's OK, because it can go up as a result of higher temperatures and so it doesn't have to be the cause, right? Oh....problem....it's going up, but we don't believe the temperature is going up. Drat. Better check with Fox to see what I believe.

Chuck

I didn't say it was NASA that reported the increased ice mass at the pole: "Australia Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica."

CO2 is plant food. We can't possibly create enough CO2 to offset the gargantuan algae beds that are absorbing it, or the rainforests that thrive on it.

Since the temperature is not going up (per NASA), we can't (logically) correllate temperature and CO2 emissions.

See how that works?

 

[kevindsingleton]

But we know that the climate has changed many, many times before man was a potential factor. So why now is man the key factor and all those 'natural' climate changing factors no longer relevant?

Correlation is not causation: "Everyday rekees4300 wakes up and everyday people die in traffic accidents. Therefore rekees4300 is the cause of traffic accidents."

Careful with the logic, there, Charlz.

 

[kevindsingleton]

Man is now the key factor because there are more humans (6,800,000,000) alive now than have lived in past 4 million years of human history.

Correlation is causation: "Everyday 6.8 billion humans emit CO2 into the atmosphere trapping the sun's heat and everyday the Earth gets warmer. Therefore 6.8 billion humans are the probably the cause of the Earth getting warmer.

Except that we now know that the Earth is not, in fact getting warmer, but the total number of humans did increase, so the cause/effect relationship just fell apart. Couple that with the lies that had to be told to uphold the theory of global warming in face of the facts to the contrary, and Al Gore's "hockey stick" software, which is probably labelled on the packaging as "Microsoft Hockey Stick 2003", and we have what can only be described as a conspiracy to bilk the taxpaying people of the rapidly cooling planet Earth.

More Kool-Aid, anyone?

 

[Duffster]

More Kool-Aid, anyone?

:laughing:

 

[charlz]

Man is now the key factor because there are more humans (6,800,000,000) alive now than have lived in past 4 million years of human history.

Correlation is causation: "Everyday 6.8 billion humans emit CO2 into the atmosphere trapping the sun's heat and everyday the Earth gets warmer. Therefore 6.8 billion humans are the probably the cause of the Earth getting warmer.

So why was the planet cooling from about the mid 1940's to the mid 70's?

 

[bstrom]

So why was the planet cooling from about the mid 1940's to the mid 70's?

I could pull something out of my arse like everyone else but - I don't know why?

 

[rekees4300]

Except that we now know that the Earth is not, in fact getting warmer,

That statement is utter nonsense.

According to NOAA and NASA data, the Earth's average surface temperature has increased by about 1.2 to 1.4 F in the last 100 years. The eight warmest years on record (since 1850) have all occurred since 1998, with the warmest year being 2005. Most of the warming in recent decades is very likely the result of human activities.

Basic Information | Climate Change | U.S. EPA

 

[rekees4300]

So why was the planet cooling from about the mid 1940's to the mid 70's?

If that statement is true then it was because the factors that cause global cooling exceeded the factors that cause global warming. There are many factors that effect global temperatures.

 

[bstrom]

That statement is utter nonsense.

According to NOAA and NASA data, the Earth's average surface temperature has increased by about 1.2 to 1.4 F in the last 100 years. The eight warmest years on record (since 1850) have all occurred since 1998, with the warmest year being 2005. Most of the warming in recent decades is very likely the result of human activities.

Basic Information | Climate Change | U.S. EPA

Alright! Somebody with some actual documentation behind a statement they made. Haven't seen that in awhile.

 

[dcyrilc]

That statement is utter nonsense.

According to NOAA and NASA data, the Earth's average surface temperature has increased by about 1.2 to 1.4 F in the last 100 years. The eight warmest years on record (since 1850) have all occurred since 1998, with the warmest year being 2005. Most of the warming in recent decades is very likely the result of human activities.

Basic Information | Climate Change | U.S. EPA

Yup, just like in the mideval days.

 

[bstrom]

Yup, just like in the mideval days.

Huhhhhh?