2011 Superduty Specs Announced

[RobertN]

Not for street driving. But off road, SFA is better.

My previous Ford, tore the IFS out and put a straight axle in. Much better when I went hunting ect.

Interesting, at least with Ford's IFS, it rode better, but the SFA out handled it, and also turned tighter. Felt better with the big cabover camper I used to have too.

My old S10 4x4 IFS/torsion bar ran good, handled good, and was ok for real basic getting off road.

As part of an answer to this, look at all the Toyota guys that yank thier IFS and put a straight axle in for running Rubicon ect(although I do not understand driving a Toyota on a JEEP trail; should just get a Jeep...)

IFS is not inferior in anyway to the SFA. What is the weak link in the SFA ?? Ball joints, and it is only as storng as them.

 

[Duffster]

So yesterday afternoon I called NH's "Troop G" and talked to a CVI. I told him that I was looking to purchase a new '11 F350 and wanted to clarify some drivers license concerns.

I asked if I would need a CDL to drive the truck with no trailer, he asked what the GVWR was and I said 12,500 (ish). He replied no CDL needed since the GVWR is under 26k.

I asked how about when pulling trailers, he asked what size my trailers were and I said 12k and 14k. He replied no CDL for the 12k since GCWR would be 24,500 and that is under 26k. He replied I would need a CDL class A for the 14k since GCWR would be 26,500 and that is over 26k/10k trailer.

He made it very clear that GCWR = GVWR + GVWR. :thumbsup:

 

[JB4310]

So yesterday afternoon I called NH's "Troop G" and talked to a CVI. I told him that I was looking to purchase a new '11 F350 and wanted to clarify some drivers license concerns.

I asked if I would need a CDL to drive the truck with no trailer, he asked what the GVWR was and I said 12,500 (ish). He replied no CDL needed since the GVWR is under 26k.

I asked how about when pulling trailers, he asked what size my trailers were and I said 12k and 14k. He replied no CDL for the 12k since GCWR would be 24,500 and that is under 26k. He replied I would need a CDL class A for the 14k since GCWR would be 26,500 and that is over 26k/10k trailer.

He made it very clear that GCWR = GVWR + GVWR. :thumbsup:

Sorry for being stubborn/dumb but....
Some part of this equation I still don't get, my phone is ringing right now, I'm calling our states DOT commercial truck division, must be busy cause it's been ringing going on 10 minutes now, OK just left a message for him.

Anyway what does the 10K trailer have to do with anything if it's just GVWR+GVWR? What if it's 20K truck and just 8K trailer, that's over 26K would you not need CDL?

You should of asked that CVI specifically what would CDL requirement be if the truck itself has a GCWR of 26001 Does that change anything?
With just that manufactures GCWR being over 26K is that when +10K trailer issue comes into play?

I left a message for my official, I'll report back if I / when I hear from him.


JB.

 

[Duffster]

Sorry for being stubborn/dumb but....
Some part of this equation I still don't get, my phone is ringing right now, I'm calling our states DOT commercial truck division, must be busy cause it's been ringing going on 10 minutes now, OK just left a message for him.

Anyway what does the 10K trailer have to do with anything if it's just GVWR+GVWR? What if it's 20K truck and just 8K trailer, that's over 26K would you not need CDL?

If the trailer is under 10k it doesn't count into the equation.

20k truck + 8k trailer = No CDL

You should of asked that CVI specifically what would CDL requirement be if the truck itself has a GCWR of 26001 Does that change anything?
With just that manufactures GCWR being over 26K is that when +10K trailer issue comes into play?

I left a message for my official, I report back if I / when I hear from him.


JB.

I did ask him and the GCWR (the GCWR in the truck specs) means nothing as far as CDL requirements go.

 

[L-ENTERPRISES]

So yesterday afternoon I called NH's "Troop G" and talked to a CVI. I told him that I was looking to purchase a new '11 F350 and wanted to clarify some drivers license concerns.

I asked if I would need a CDL to drive the truck with no trailer, he asked what the GVWR was and I said 12,500 (ish). He replied no CDL needed since the GVWR is under 26k.

I asked how about when pulling trailers, he asked what size my trailers were and I said 12k and 14k. He replied no CDL for the 12k since GCWR would be 24,500 and that is under 26k. He replied I would need a CDL class A for the 14k since GCWR would be 26,500 and that is over 26k/10k trailer.

He made it very clear that GCWR = GVWR + GVWR. :thumbsup:

Then why will Officer Bean write you a ticket for 10001 gvw trailer if no USDOT on the door of a F-350 SRW ?

 

[Duffster]

Then why will Officer Bean write you a ticket for 10001 gvw trailer if no USDOT on the door of a F-350 SRW ?

Different definition of CMV.

Different section of the regulations.

 

[L-ENTERPRISES]

Different definition of CMV.

You are right . He has been busting hard on RT 125 in NH as of late .

 

[Highbeam]

What I'm getting from this is that to use an F350 to tow a trailer rated for 14000# I would need a CDL. You can't even come close to the Ford's advertised trailer rating of, was it, 21000# without a CDL.

As a curiosity, my EQ trailer has a pair of 5200# dexter axles but the GVWR is 9900#. Very intentional that the trailer's rating is below 10000#.

 

[flusher]

What I'm getting from this is that to use an F350 to tow a trailer rated for 14000# I would need a CDL. You can't even come close to the Ford's advertised trailer rating of, was it, 21000# without a CDL.

As a curiosity, my EQ trailer has a pair of 5200# dexter axles but the GVWR is 9900#. Very intentional that the trailer's rating is below 10000#.

I've been researching trailers for a few months now. I like the PJs a lot and there's a dealer in Chico that handles that brand as well as several others.

I notice that PJ has an option to rate a trailer at 9990 lb GVWR even though the axle ratings put the GVWR over 10,001 lb. For example, this one

PJ Trailers - 8" I-Beam Deckover

 

[Dmace]

What I'm getting from this is that to use an F350 to tow a trailer rated for 14000# I would need a CDL. You can't even come close to the Ford's advertised trailer rating of, was it, 21000# without a CDL.

This is EXACTLY what started this whole conversation that has been dragged out way too much. My initial comment was why would Ford list some ridiculous tow capacity of 21k lbs if you cannot even come close to that without a CDL license. That is why I said:

I don't understand the 21,600lb towing capacity, there is no way the truck weighs 4,400lbs or less so that means the GCWR would have to be over 26,000lbs. Who wants a 1-ton dually truck that they have to have a CDL just to drive, even empty...?

Of course, by empty I meant the trailer empty and not the truck. Apparently I had to clarify that later on.

It's a stupid numbers game that Ford has to play to make their trucks look tougher. You cannot legally tow any more with a Ford then you can with a Dodge or GM without proper licensing. These trucks are so tough now they are limited by CDL requirements instead of the trucks ability.

 

[sld]

At least you know that you will never need a CDL when you are using a Hemi!:laughing:

 

[Dmace]

At least you know that you will never need a CDL when you are using a Hemi!:laughing:

As opposed to that other gas powered truck that has a GCWR of over 26k...?

 

[77bronco]

It's a stupid numbers game that Ford has to play to make their trucks look tougher. You cannot legally tow any more with a Ford then you can with a Dodge or GM without proper licensing. These trucks are so tough now they are limited by CDL requirements instead of the trucks ability.

What you have to realize is that neither Ford, GM, or Dodge cares what license you need to drive their trucks. They are building what they think people want, i.e. high capacity in a truck smaller than a class 6....

So, your choices are;1) buy a truck that falls below the CDL limit, and quit complaining that your new 60k truck won't pull your trailer,2) ignore the license requirement and when caught plead ignorance and hope the judge is in a good mood that day,or 3) get the license you need to do the work legally.

 

[Duffster]

This is EXACTLY what started this whole conversation that has been dragged out way too much. My initial comment was why would Ford list some ridiculous tow capacity of 21k lbs if you cannot even come close to that without a CDL license. That is why I said:

What started this discussion was your comment about needing a CDL just to drive the truck without a trailer.

Of course, by empty I meant the trailer empty and not the truck. Apparently I had to clarify that later on.

It's a stupid numbers game that Ford has to play to make their trucks look tougher. You cannot legally tow any more with a Ford then you can with a Dodge or GM without proper licensing. These trucks are so tough now they are limited by CDL requirements instead of the trucks ability.

Has anything really changed?

Any brand and model of truck with a GVWR over 12k + a 14k trailer needs a CDL.

 

[Dargo]

The Power specs HAVE NOT been released yet.

GM will hold thier own. How fast people forget that Ford was almost in line with the rest, only thing that saved them was multiple equity swaps.

IFS is not inferior in anyway to the SFA. What is the weak link in the SFA ?? Ball joints, and it is only as storng as them.

After dealing with auto dealers for a quarter of a century now, I'll take my chances with Ford regardless when a poor Government Motors dealer never knows if he can get parts, if he can get paid for warranty work, or if any of the literature of specs are even remotely accurate. On top of that, if the government doesn't give them more money soon it won't matter for them anyway. Trade-ins will be in demand only for spare parts! LOL!!

In case you doubt that one bit, tell me how your GM stock is doing now. Unfortunately I was too dumb to drop everything with a GM label on it and got burned with some GM stock, which will never be worth anything. At least the Ford stock I grabbed at a buck fifty a share is holding up well over $12 a share. It's making up for all the worthless GM stock that dealers across the country dumped by the truckload last year when they saw GM was not only going down the tube, but was well down the tube. It took a while for the news to come out that it wasn't only the GM insiders who were dumping everything GM, but also the poor GM dealers who were trying to get what they could before the value of their stock was zero. I really feel sorry for all the GM autoworkers who had literally millions in their 401k who now don't have enough to buy a decent brand of car that runs. That's sad!

 

[Dmace]

What started this discussion was your comment about needing a CDL just to drive the truck without a trailer.

I'll repeat myself again since it's obvious your the one I need to keep clarifying for. :mur:
I never said you need a CDL to drive the truck alone, I said empty and meant an empty trailer which I clarified later and even reposted it again just now. You see it yet...?

Has anything really changed?

Any brand and model of truck with a GVWR over 12k + a 14k trailer needs a CDL.

Yup, now Ford is misleading buyers with these ridiculous tow ratings and class 5 GCWR's in a class 3 truck. It's true any brand truck with a GVWR over 12k will need a CDL for a trailer rated at 14k but at least the other manufacturers lay it out in plain English and limit the trucks to a GCWR of 26k and limit the tow capacity rating of the truck to stay within those limits. They don't need to "trick" you into thinking you can haul more...

 

[Diamondpilot]

You need to take a look at the GM 3500 trucks Dmace. They now have a GVWR that is over 12K.

Chris

 

[Duffster]

You need to take a look at the GM 3500 trucks Dmace. They now have a GVWR that is over 12K.

Chris

So does a almighty Dodge.

 

[Dmace]

You need to take a look at the GM 3500 trucks Dmace. They now have a GVWR that is over 12K.

Yes but they limit the tow capacity to keep the GCWR within CDL specs. They are not making a couple of models with some 30k+ GCWR so they can spec out some 20k+ tow capacity for the advertisements.

What was your point again...

 

[Diamondpilot]

They very well may. I know for a fact that the 3500 series GM Dmax has a 13,000# GVWR and a 20,000# max trailer rating.

As for towing with needing a CDL what you guys here are missing is the exceptions. Most who would be over 26,000# would fall under these towing 5th wheel campers, ect. The others would be guys hauling heavy equipment and probably already have a DOT check and CDL anyway so it is no big deal.

What it is saying is the manufactures are listing to the consumers. We want trucks that can do the work they are capable of legally.

Chris