Where to find roller for logging chain?

[MNBobcat]

Hi Everyone,

Today I tried to pick up a 2,300 pound outdoor wood boiler using the FEL on my John Deere 3020. I was unable to lift the boiler with the chain attached to one side of the bucket. However, this worked: I attached one end of the chain to the crossbar that runs between the two arms of the loader and which sits behind the bucket. The chain ran from the crossbar over the top of the bucket and then hung down below the front cutting edge on the bucket. I hooked onto the boiler and then curled the bucket upwards and was then able to lift the stove.

However, the links of the chain would hang up on the front cutting edge of the bucket and then would "pop" as they broke loose and slid past the edge. By curling the bucket, I was in affect shortening the chain. By attaching the chain in the center of the bucket I think I made the most affective use of both hydraulic cylinders.

I have to lift the boiler one more time next to set it in place.

What I would like to do is find some kind of steel roller about 8 - 10 inches wide that could be clamped to the cutting edge of the bucket. That way, the chain could roll smoothly over the edge (on top of the roller) as I curl the bucket up. I didn't see any kind of roller on Northern Tools web site that would work. Anyone know where I could find such a thing?

 

[Erik_in_Hoyt]

why not use a 12" scrap of 6-8" plastic sewer pipe?
slit one side with a chainsaw or table saw, pry it open, and slide it over your cutting edge.

 

[aczlan]

Or, (this is going in an entirely different direction), you might look into welding a hook or two onto the top lip of your bucket. Thus eliminating the need for the roller.

Aaron A

 

[MNBobcat]

Or, (this is going in an entirely different direction), you might look into welding a hook or two onto the top lip of your bucket. Thus eliminating the need for the roller.

Aaron A

Hi Aaron,

The tractor already has hooks on the bucket and what I thought was interesting is that when I used the hooks on the bucket it couldn't lift the boiler. Hydraulics weren't strong enough.


Must be something different in how the leverage is applied by using the fixed cross member as an anchor instead of the bucket.

 

[MNBobcat]

why not use a 12" scrap of 6-8" plastic sewer pipe?
slit one side with a chainsaw or table saw, pry it open, and slide it over your cutting edge.

Clever. That might work. At least for the cutting edge. I was going to put a second roller on the flat part of the top of the bucket towards the rear, too. If I could find the rollers, that is.

 

[aczlan]

The tractor already has hooks on the bucket and what I thought was interesting is that when I used the hooks on the bucket it couldn't lift the boiler. Hydraulics weren't strong enough.
Must be something different in how the leverage is applied by using the fixed cross member as an anchor instead of the bucket.

Interesting. If that is the case, I would recommend slitting a pipe and putting it over the edge of the bucket as another poster suggested, but with a 2-4" piece of steel pipe (not PVC, I think you would snap a PVC pipe in under a minute).

Aaron Z

 

[BigE_]

The tractor already has hooks on the bucket and what I thought was interesting is that when I used the hooks on the bucket it couldn't lift the boiler. Hydraulics weren't strong enough.

Must be something different in how the leverage is applied by using the fixed cross member as an anchor instead of the bucket.

It's a simple pulley system. See Pulley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and look at diagram 2. The "pulley" in this case is the edge of your bucket. Curling your bucket up an inch raises the boiler less than an inch, thus you have a mechanical advantage.

 

[MNBobcat]

It's a simple pulley system. See Pulley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and look at diagram 2. The "pulley" in this case is the edge of your bucket. Curling your bucket up an inch raises the boiler less than an inch, thus you have a mechanical advantage.

Right on. I was thinking about it a little while ago and all of a sudden a light bulb went on in the old noggin. The bucket is acting almost like a fulcrum. As you pointed out, it has a mechanical advantage.

I'd like to rig something up to be able to take advantage of that in the future.

 

[turnkey4099]

I used a farmer's tractor to pull a couple of trees against the lean last year. He had a hook welded in the back of the bucket. I didn't notice if he had reinforced the bucket back there. Worked great and I can't see any drawbacks to it.

 

[Daves3032E]

Maybe one of the rollers that you see on boat trailers? Might need to look around to get one heavy duty enough.

 

[murphy1244]

I hope he solved his problem by now.

 

[Daves3032E]

I hope he solved his problem by now.

Well, I really need to pay attention to dates I guess. Maybe it will be a thought for someone else that comes across this thread.

 

[murphy1244]

And that should work, Good Job! I think every one here fell for a old post at least once.

 

[Xfaxman]

Well, I really need to pay attention to dates I guess. Maybe it will be a thought for someone else that comes across this thread.

Don't feel to bad, Look what I did: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/148-carryalls.html#post3528512

And that should work, Good Job! I think every one here fell for a old post at least once.

Yep, and I have the record for the oldest, at thirteen years!

But it did take off with many more posts, than the first time around.

 

[Shutesbury]

...and the simple answer was to hook a chain across the bucket to his two outer hooks. Second chain from that to the boiler. Just be sure to hook the bottom chain clevis onto a centered link of the cross chain so it doesn't shift left or right unexpectedly. Curling the bucket then lifts the bottom chain vertically, giving greater capacity. When I'm near my weight-lifting capacity, I'll curl the bucket downward and raise the FEL arms to tighten, *then* curl to lift the object.

Paul

 

[Xfaxman]

You may want to check the pressure relief valve setting. There have been many posts here on that subject.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/139224-bx24-backhoe-relief-valves.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...260625-how-increase-loader-lift-capacity.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/167412-psi-rpm-curve-bx-25-a.html

 

[chad22]

And that should work, Good Job! I think every one here fell for a old post at least once.

lol. I've posted on old posts before because I didn't notice the date. (I always tell myself I'll look before I post) But most times that advice slips my mind and I don't look at the date.

Even on other forums I've posted to 10 year old threads where someone asked for advice on something and I didn't notice until I went back and read the first post.

Oh well the info I gave might be useful for someone else.

Chad

 

[chad22]

Don't feel to bad, Look what I did: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/148-carryalls.html#post3528512


Yep, and I have the record for the oldest, at thirteen years!

But it did take off with many more posts, than the first time around.

WOW. That IS an old thread. I was only 12 years old when that thread was going.

I'm 25 now, so yeah hopefully they've figured something out by then. lol

Chad

 

[ishiboo]

Ignoring the fact that the thread is years old, you have not a bad idea. Though those rubber rollers compress VERY easily and do not last long under pressure. I'd go with one of the polyurethane ones or whatever they are.

 

[LD1]

I very seldom ever post to threads that are even more than 8 hours old. Cause I usually aint searching much, just reading and sharing. And I never click beyond the first page of "todays posts". Which sometimes those hundred or so threads may only cover a few hours.

So if someone revives an old thread, and it is on the first page of todays posts, there are times I havent caught it...