Chevy may have hit a home run

[Heywood Jannockitov]

Here's what I THINK. GM hired a young, new engineer just out of school. They said, "Well, we're gonna design the new 95 Olds. Let's see what you can do"

If I didn't know better, I'd think the 95 Olds was the first car GM ever built. Don't they have winter in Detroit?

Q: What does a 14 year old car have to do with a new Camaro?
A: Nothing.

I see you completely missed the point, which is, that GM and a lot of other people, just can't seem to get the basics right, that is, a car that starts runs and drives reliable, that the wipers work well on, which the mirrors work well on, and which you don't need a hired crew with umbrellas to keep the drip out "if it should rain."


I think my point about the poorly designed heater says it all. Jesus Karuieresst, doncha think that we should've evolved in cab heater design since, say, 1935?,

MY POINT is that one new model didn't change the flawed corporate thinking that's been going on for YEARS

THAT is what a 14 year old car has to do with a new Camaro.

I don't know if some of you are that slow, or just obstinate. I'd bet money that if GM came out with a Vega RIGHT NOW that at least one of you would buy one.

Hey, I like the Vega! I'll take two, make 'em Cosworths.
I have a lot of respect for the innovative engineering that went into the Vega.
The car was far more sophisticated than anything else that it competed against at the time.

GM pioneered the use of a sleeveless silicon impregnated aluminum alloy block design, now used by automakers such as Mercedes and Porsche.
I believe the Vega was the first GM car to be designed at least partially using CAD. The workmanship of the early vehicles was good but then suffered due to management/labor strife.

Anyway, that "95" Ciera was pretty long in the tooth when new.
Introduced in 1982, the GM "A" bodies, which were developed from the X body would have been on the drawing board in the late seventies, making it, in reality a 30 year old design now. BTW, the Olds Ciera won numerous JD Power awards.

So, as MikePA said, it's of no relevance when discussing the new Camaro.

 

[rcrcomputing]

Hey, I like the Vega! I'll take two, make 'em Cosworths.
I have a lot of respect for the innovative engineering that went into the Vega.
The car was far more sophisticated than anything else that it competed against at the time.

GM pioneered the use of a sleeveless silicon impregnated aluminum alloy block design, now used by automakers such as Mercedes and Porsche.
I believe the Vega was the first GM car to be designed at least partially using CAD. The workmanship of the early vehicles was good but then suffered due to management/labor strife.

Anyway, that "95" Ciera was pretty long in the tooth when new.
Introduced in 1982, the GM "A" bodies, which were developed from the X body would have been on the drawing board in the late seventies, making it, in reality a 30 year old design now. BTW, the Olds Ciera won numerous JD Power awards.

So, as MikePA said, it's of no relevance when discussing the new Camaro.

It has a WHOLE LOT of relevance if you have to get the umbrellas out if it's fixing to rain. As you do in my 2004 Monte Carlo so the door doesn't fill up full of water.

 

[Heywood Jannockitov]

It has a WHOLE LOT of relevance if you have to get the umbrellas out if it's fixing to rain. As you do in my 2004 Monte Carlo so the door doesn't fill up full of water.

Unplug the drain holes

 

[RobertN]

I saw a few of them while driving to/from SanDiego this last week. Tehy look cool, if you kneel down in front of them, looking straight on from a low angle. Otherwise, they look funky. The back end looks really mis balanced. Even from the side, it just does not look "smooth".

IMHO, the Challenger and Mustang really got it right. The Camaro may perform, but the Challenger and Mustang got the looks. Ansd, the Mustang got it long before the others.