Chevy may have hit a home run

[Cat_Driver]

Don't look like the 69....are you kidding me.

Take a look at these two and they are twins.

http://imgs2.images.hotrod.com/powe...pictures_12_z+1969_camaro_rs_ss+side_view.jpg


http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/06/2010-Chevy-Camaro-SS-Spy.jpg

 

[Scooby074]

I dont know if its a homerun, but maybe a triple.

From the front it looks awesome, but it looses something in the rear. Its got a rump like J-lo, and on that car it just doesnt do it for me (j-lo's fine, car not so much).

I think the challenger nailed the "retro" design. Really is a nice looking car, and im no mopar nut.

And yes they are having tranny problems in the SS . GM says its a "limited" number with the Tremec 6060 manual.

 

[440roadrunner]

Some of you would follow the pied piper right into the flaming hole

"Chevy may have hit a home run"

It's going to take more than some fancy, probably overrated pony car that's mostly tugging at your sentimental side to convince ME

Bought my Mom's 95 Olds Cutlass Sierra when she quit driving. RIGHT NOW it only has 40K on the clock.

No rain gutters--water and snow falls in the window

Pull up to the bank and roll down the window--design of the taper at the front window and mirror dumps snow and water all over the inside, and no way to get your hand/ rag/ brush out there first

Both outside adjust mirrors have failed--less than 40K

Both rear lock solenoids had to be replaced before THIRTY K

Lost an alternator -- 200 bucks --last year

brake light switch failed ON and of course ran down the battery before I noticed

YOU CANNOT have 1/2 heat and 1/2 defrost---all or nothing

Most of the dash controls are hidden by the wheel

The gearshift indicator might as well not be there, and worse, you forget "it's wrong", end up downshifting to 2nd instead of from OD to D

The wipers "park" into a trough that collects the first three drops of water--and then freeze them down. I have to put blocks under the wipers in winter if I part to prevent the blades from freezing to the windshield

I thought it was my imagination--but the antiskid just plain does not work correctly.

Here's what I THINK. GM hired a young, new engineer just out of school. They said, "Well, we're gonna design the new 95 Olds. Let's see what you can do"

If I didn't know better, I'd think the 95 Olds was the first car GM ever built. Don't they have winter in Detroit?

 

[MikePA]

Q: What does a 14 year old car have to do with a new Camaro?
A: Nothing.

 

[jwstewar]

Q: What does a 14 year old car have to do with a new Camaro?
A: Nothing.

About as much as mileage does with stuff failing. All the stuff that failed sounds to me like it failed for lack of use. I've seen more stuff fail from lack of use than over use. As far as that car not having rain gutters, I haven't seen a car since the 70s have those.

 

[vsteel]

BTW, I haven't confirmed but my Oldsmobile site has a posting saying that GM already has a recall out on the 4 speed versions of the new Camaro. Seems the gear box can't take the torque...

I am pretty sure they don't make a 4 speed version, Unless you are talking about the 6 speed gear boxes.

For those that have not driven an older muscle car, there was a reason they were noisy, had rougher gear boxes and didn't ride butter smooth. Putting the most power to the ground took preference over creature comforts and interior noise. To lots it was noise, but to those that could appreciate what was going on, it was sweet music.

On a side note, the magazine Chevy High Performance about 10 or 15 years ago had a story about how GM was getting way to big in the middle management department. They were mentioning how Ford was turning themselves around and started streamlining the decision process. They had said that if a person on the assembly line had a great idea, it had to go through so many managers that it would be over a year before it could be implemented. This is a pro GM mag and I remember being really surprised that it was published.

 

[Ridgewalker]

WCH ~ ROP is correct...I am DA 66 Holiday at that site.

Vsteel, ~ I stand corrected...I just heard "trouble with manual gearbox" and my old school brain interpreted that to mean 4 speed tranny since my 66 has one. I am sure you are right in that it's a six.

That wouldn't be R.O.P. would it?

Not many of the new high torque cars have a tranny that can handle the torque. I know the rebuilders down at Rockland Standard Gear, one of the few GM certified rebuilders of the Corvette manual trans. They say most of the new factory gearboxes are junk.

 

[440roadrunner]

Q: What does a 14 year old car have to do with a new Camaro?
A: Nothing.

I see you completely missed the point, which is, that GM and a lot of other people, just can't seem to get the basics right, that is, a car that starts runs and drives reliable, that the wipers work well on, which the mirrors work well on, and which you don't need a hired crew with umbrellas to keep the drip out "if it should rain."


I think my point about the poorly designed heater says it all. Jesus Karuieresst, doncha think that we should've evolved in cab heater design since, say, 1935?,

MY POINT is that one new model didn't change the flawed corporate thinking that's been going on for YEARS

THAT is what a 14 year old car has to do with a new Camaro.

I don't know if some of you are that slow, or just obstinate. I'd bet money that if GM came out with a Vega RIGHT NOW that at least one of you would buy one.

 

[jdbower]

So how long does GM have to wait until you're willing to actually sit in their cars again to see if they've fixed any of the issues you've stated? If these issues are so important, why haven't you just gotten a brand you actually like? One trap people fall into is feeling "wronged" by a company and hating them for decades afterwords assuming they're still the same company. My favorite is hating Coke for introducing New Coke because that's something they've ALREADY corrected - short of inventing a time machine there's nothing more that Coke can do to atone.

You say it's a 1995 Cutlass Ciera. Well, GM has changed CEOs since then - twice. And the Ciera may have even been designed under the prior management so we can probably call it three times. GM has since killed off the entire brand you're complaining about, perhaps because of some of the issues you've mentioned. The Cutlass Ciera model was disposed of the year after you bought yours, it was already long in the tooth and apparently recognized as suffering from issues. I had an 87ish Chevy Celebrity (essentially the same car as the Cutlass Ciera) and it was definitely suffering from the 80's Big Three quality issues. Seems like GM has done a lot to correct the issues with your specific model.

Couple that with having the car rot for 14 years in your driveway instead of driving it normally and keeping the lubrication flowing and I'm not surprised you're having issues. I didn't have any problem with my Mercedes until I started working from home and stopped driving it so much. I keep my cars long enough that I understand when I have to look for a new car I need to start from scratch - I'm coming up on 8 years now and any company will go through some major changes in that timeframe.

So, do you actually have any evidence that GM has NOT changed in the past decade and a half or are you just bitter over what you believe to be a lemon of a car? What would it take for you to LOOK at a GM again to check to see if they've improved?

 

[Wayne County Hose]

Q: What does a 14 year old car have to do with a new Camaro?
A: Nothing.

I thought there were no jokes allowed on TBN. Now give yourself some points.