CK20HST Problem

[maddmacc]

Hey kioti people can anyone help I purchased a new CK20HST and got it home loved the way it mowed but when I went to pull the steep grade the tractor would not move. Note it did not bog down the hydro would not move and yes I was in low range. I contacted the dealer and he came to pick it up and stated that is should easily go up any hill if the hill was too step then it should spin out it will not spin. He took it back to the shop and pressured tested it and it tested at 4000lb of pressure but he did not place it into a incline situation to pressure test and kioti is saying it tests to specs. Now he want me to add more money and go with a CK25 gear. Should I demand a new hydro or change tractors I am not sure now that I want a kioti any of you have any experience with the ck20hst. Oh I did say that I would just get a full refund but dealer is refusing to refund money by the way there is only 7 hours on the tractor. Any advice.

Madd macc

 

[Dmace]

Get a new dealer!

I have accidentally climbed up the vertical surface of a rock until the rear tires hit it while pushing over a tree. A slope of any grade should not be a problem. If you are running at least 2000rpms, in low gear, clutch not depressed and there is no load on the motor when you push the HST pedal then something is wrong.

Does it move on a flat surface, high and low gear?

 

[greenmule]

I don't live but about 45 min from you,I bought mine down below lewisburg,where did you buy yours?[you don't have to name the dealer,just say where]

I've heard things about the hst tractors like what your saying,but than others have said no problems,maybe they don't know what a hill is?

This is one reason I wouldn't buy a hst tractor of any make,too much of this vodoo stuff.You got a gear tractor,and it won't go,you can pinpoint it pretty quick.

get ahold of kioti corperation,don't know the number,might be on their web page or owners manual,play it cool for awhile if you can,let them get back to you,open a line of talk with them before you make anybody too mad[yeah I know,easier said than done,right?}

what all do you have on the tractor[loader or hoe?]

7 hours and he wouldn't take it back,mine had I think 4-5 hours on it when I bought it[I think],that woulda been the thing to do if he was wanting to do the right thing.Of course he don't have tnes thing is for sure,I wouldn't give him one more penny.

I got a ck30 gear and only got about 65 hours,but am very satisfied so far[plus it goes up and down my hills with no problems,plenty of power.

 

[unhappykioti]

Yea I've had those problems with my CK20HST would'nt pull up a grade with a 4ft bush hog. Ended up getting a new hydro unit at about 30 hrs. My dealer now out of business was very good, would not give my tractor back until he was sure it was right, only down side was he had it about six weeks.

 

[IslandTractor]

The CK20 HST has trouble going up hills in high range with any load but I never had trouble going up a 15 degree slope with a backhoe mounted when in low range. I could also run a bush hog going up that same slope without any issue in low range.

Is the CK20 a new model (CK20S)? I recall there were some issues with early CK20 HST units but believe that issue was resolved several years ago.

Talk to Kioti customer service if your dealer is not helpful.

 

[Egon]

he did not place it into a incline situation to pressure test and kioti is saying it tests to specs.

Some years ago a fellow had an HST tractor of a different make stuck in an incline situation. He found the HST fluid level was too low.

 

[Gittyup]

The dealer has to make it right. So, if you don't want to spend more on the CK25, then stay on him to fix it. If it means a new tranny, then so be it. He doesn't have to give you refund, but he has to fix it.

When you were on the hill and it wouldn't move, did it make any noise while trying? If so, this is a sign that the relief valve was kicking in. Would it go backwards, down the hill? I'd say you just got a bad tranny. Once it's fixed you'll be very pleased with your tractor purchase. Not fun though to be without your brand new toy while the dealer messes around trying to resolve it.

 

[jimmyj]

Something is not right. Your tractor should go up that grade. Like the guys say, what sounds did you hear (no bogging but was it doing anything else).

If I am in hi range with a heavy load behind my HST will just "sit there" on a grade till I down shift. In low you should go go go.

The dealer sounds like a less than ideal fellow.

 

[Dmace]

I've heard things about the hst tractors like what your saying,but than others have said no problems,maybe they don't know what a hill is?

Yeah that must be it, those with no HST problems must be idiots who don't know what a hill is.

I would know the grade limit for my HST but my pucker meter stops me before the HST does.

 

[VictorW]

Yeah that must be it, those with no HST problems must be idiots who don't know what a hill is.

I would know the grade limit for my HST but my pucker meter stops me before the HST does.

I have a CK30hst with three speed ranges and not the CK20hst, so I can only attest to my little brute. The high range is mainly for travelling, medium for most work, and low for when you really need power. In low 4wd, I can spin the R4 tires on pavement with fl and bh on if I come to something that is just to much for the tractor.
There are earlier posts, about a year ago, where members had no power from their CK30hst. I do remember one had the relief valve adjusted and one had a new tranny installed. I suspect Madd macc has a similar problem.
And like Dmace, the pucker factor kicks in before the tractor stops moving but everyone's limit is different, so I'll just say the front gets light going up hill. I stay away from that as much as I can because I don't want to see if the ROPS works.

 

[wallace]

When running a hydro you can not push the pedal to the floor in a rapid manor you must move it slowly if you stab the pedal it will just kick the relief valve.
Try to slowly push the pedal and the tractor should move without a problem also make sure you are wide open throttle.

If this is the way you are operating your tractor than I would suggest that you have the dealer come out to your house and have them run the machine in the same area that you are having the problems.

 

[greenmule]

I was serious kinda when saying some don't know what a hill is[has really nothing to do with hst though],I've lived in the hills all my live,and I've been in flat land country on various trips and have spent time working there,those flat landers got a whole nother way to describe a hill to you.

Seen pictures on here and other sites saying that they had this "hill",looked like a gentle slope to me.

Some people call the hills around me mountains,they are just hills to me,I've seen the rockey mts.,now those are mts.!

Anyways,back to the hst with the vodoo problems.

 

[Highgear]

Hey maddmacc - when you were trying to take off were you mashing the HST peddel to the floor or just down an inch or more ? HST is not like stepping on the gas of your car ! Pushing it down a little = power . All the way to the floor = speed !

 

[ccdck20hst]

"20% 11 degrees Normal working limits of the TLB. Experienced operators (2 years or more using proper technique can usually work on slopes up to this gradient. In climates that do not get snow and ice dangers (high traction situations), 20% is generally the steepest grade recommended for driveways access roads, and shuttle routes" from page 9 Operating Techniques fro the Tractor-Loader-Backhoe by Gary J. Ober. I do not know if this same formula applies to smaller units such as the CK series. The cited passage is from a handy refernce book that is geared more toward commercial sized units. The 11 degrees is really not that steep a slope as slopes go. Simply put it sounds as though you might be trying to operate the CK beyond its probable incline limits. When I run my CK20HSTTLB on the sloped ground around my house I can always get up the inclines (probably not more than 11-14 degrees and no I am not an extremely experienced operator) even with a full loader bucket in the low setting on the hydro. I hope you get the performance you need out of your machine.

 

[maddmacc]

Hey thanks for the help just a few more points! My incline is steep but I have a Gravely riding mower that is not 4wd that I currently mow it with so I would think that the Tractor should not be limited by it. I had a FE and a 5ft finish mower attached to it! Tractor would just sit their with no noise and yes I was just barley engaging the hydro pedal and the motor was at full throttle note when I would push the hydro full pedal on that incline it would pull down the engine but would not kill it. I also tried to back up the inclines and it would go even less the distance. I did get the dealer to come and pick it up and showed him what it would do or would not do. I took the tractor up an incline all the way moved it over about a yard and about 1% increase in slope and it would not budge and would not make any noise it was as though it was in park or something. It runs fine on level and on slight inclines seems to have all the engine power that I need. I did speak with the dealer after reading the above comments and I feel it is the hydro so I told him I etheir wanted a new ck20hst or they could replace the hydro he said kioti had already authorize replacing he new hydro so he will order it on monday! He did say that when he took it back to the shop he placed the FE against a large tractor in the wet grass and it stalled and would not even spin the tires on the wet. So I hope they can fix the tractor and like I said thanks for all of the responses! I live in Beckley Wv so we do have some real hills and I purchased the tractor from Covington Va. and I dont think I have a bad dealer just frustrating to pay $13,000 for something that doesnt work should have let him bring it hear for a test first!

 

[greenmule]

Well good for you,yeah,guess the guy wasn't that bad after all,and kioti is doing the right thing,and doing it quick it seems,thats the big thing now,how long it will take them to get you running like you should be running with a brand new tractor,keep us posted.

You did know there was a kioti dealer down below lewisburg on 219 didn't you,and one in rainell,both an hour closer to you.

 

[jimb1724]

Maddmacc:

Sorry to hear of your issues. there is nothing worse than than getting a defective unit. I think most dealers put the machines through some testing after they pull them from the shipping crate and do the final assembly before they put the machine on the sale floor. It sounds like the dealer will make you whole, but too bad they didn't have another unit they could give you instead or you having to wait for the repairs.

Anyway, once they get it corrected, you will have a little tank.

My house sits on the side of of Green Mountain so the driveway is on a fairly steep incline and in some areas exceeds 25 degrees. I run my CK20HST up and down the driveway all day long with the backhoe on and with the 54" bucket full of loam... no problem... and in the winter I push a 54" blower uphill while blowing 12 plus inches of snow... again no problems (well since the v-bar chains were added for winter traction!!!).

Bottom line, once they get your machine set up correctly, you should have no problems... wether with a full load in the fel or with a full load on the PTO...

I hope it all works out... and quickly. Keep us posted on your progress.

Jim

 

[lunbrjck]

Hi maddmacc
I also live in WV, in the Clarksburg area. I bought a CK20HST from my dealer in Weston. I also live on a hillside and my CK will go up any of the hills I have with a 5 foot finsh mower and end loader full of dirt with no problems. I'm glad your dealer is standing by you and fixing your machine. Like everyone else has said you will love the 20 does everything I have ask it to do in the 100 hours I have used it. Good luck with your tractor.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Hey thanks for the help just a few more points! My incline is steep but I have a Gravely riding mower that is not 4wd that I currently mow it with so I would think that the Tractor should not be limited by it. I had a FE and a 5ft finish mower attached to it! Tractor would just sit their with no noise and yes I was just barley engaging the hydro pedal and the motor was at full throttle note when I would push the hydro full pedal on that incline it would pull down the engine but would not kill it. I also tried to back up the inclines and it would go even less the distance. I did get the dealer to come and pick it up and showed him what it would do or would not do. I took the tractor up an incline all the way moved it over about a yard and about 1% increase in slope and it would not budge and would not make any noise it was as though it was in park or something. It runs fine on level and on slight inclines seems to have all the engine power that I need. I did speak with the dealer after reading the above comments and I feel it is the hydro so I told him I etheir wanted a new ck20hst or they could replace the hydro he said kioti had already authorize replacing he new hydro so he will order it on monday! He did say that when he took it back to the shop he placed the FE against a large tractor in the wet grass and it stalled and would not even spin the tires on the wet. So I hope they can fix the tractor and like I said thanks for all of the responses! I live in Beckley Wv so we do have some real hills and I purchased the tractor from Covington Va. and I dont think I have a bad dealer just frustrating to pay $13,000 for something that doesnt work should have let him bring it hear for a test first!

Im glad youre going to get a new Hydro, but the anecdotes of your post do not fit together well at all. The increase in grade stopping your output could be low fluid. But not being able to spin in low while stalling the engine on level ground indicates something wrong with lo range or a heavily laden tractor or weak engine or something binding in the HST. The totally unloaded condition you experience on hills doesnt fit this. Maybe there is more than one problem.
larry

 

[greenmule]

Yeah,let us know what happened.

And don't forget ,you got a kioti dealer in rainell and one below lewisburg[south 219],which would be about an hour closer to you than covington,va.,speaking of which,why did you go all the way down there anyways?