Possible Fix for BX 50 Series Abrupt Reverse Stop?

[thavil]

I was going to hold off on posting this until the possible repair was complete but this morning, I received a very interesting phone call from my Kubota Regional Rep. He informed me that my inquiry to Kubota Corp (sent an email about one month ago) was heard and being acted on. I asked Kubota Corp when they were coming out with a fix for the BX 50 series Abrupt Reverse Stop issue. I never heard anything back until Saturday morning. My local dealer called me and said that the regional rep knew of a "fix". My dealer wanted to know if I was interested and told me that he wanted to try it on a used BX that he has at their store. I told him yes and he said he would let me know when someone would be coming out to my farm to do the repair.

Personally, I don't have a whole lot of faith in this "fix" yet but the regional rep said that they have tested it and should correct about 90% of the problem. I wish I got more details about the fix but I did hear him say (I had a bad cell reception) that the fix entailed lowering pressure. I think I have read a few posts about something similar here on TBN, so this is why I am skeptical that this will work. Won't hurt trying!!

I will keep everyone posted on the outcome. Maybe other BX 50 series owners should contact their dealer and ask if they have heard of this fix.

 

[radioman]

Interesting. Lowering the pressure but does this mean less travel speed or working power ? I am curious and will be watching this for sure.

 

[Deano]

Thavil,

Why are you calling it BX 50 series??... Hope that isn't a dumb question.

Also...I will be up at your house on 17 April for our OPRC meeting. Are you going to be there??

Thanks,
Dean

 

[shrekbelly]

i have followed this issue, along with my kubota dealer, and their regional kubota people . . . along with many other members on this websight, who are far smarter than me, and they traded up and or away from the 50 series tractor into a bx1860, bx2360 or bx2660.
i've heard of this ruse or red herring of a fix previously . . . but nothing ever materialized
the best that came about was money for the most vocal/diappointed kubota customers . . . in the form of "kubota assistance dollars," a figure to be subtracted out of a trade in deal at your kubota dealer. i do not know if this program is still in force or not . . . i do know of a fellow or two who were able to trade into the 60 series for a song . . . my dealer/ aided me (not to the extent that i would have desired, but he tried.
i would like to offer a small wager to the effect that there isn't a fix.
shrekbelly

 

[James Loehr]

My 2350 was at the dealer for three weeks. they adjusted pressure,changed the pump in trans,adjusted linkages and no help. Kubota state rep told me a week ago the only help for me would be a new 60 model. When he suggested this I asked for them to help with a deal for going into a 2360. numbers where discussed and he said that he could work with that and would talk to my sales and they would call me. Today monday april 6, I got the call,they have changed policy and will not help. I have been trying to get this fix all winter and my dealer has worked hard to help but Kubota has been hard to work with. They won't admit there is a problem saying at one point thats the way it was,that the way is and that is that. I feel sorry for some nice people a my dealer having to deal with such a company. For me when I get it paid for it"s gone and replaced with something where my satisfaction is important.

 

[fish6942]

Huh, I just spoke with my regional service rep (Minnesota) about a month ago. He told me there was no known fix for it.


I was sitting on the tractor last night and played with the hydro pedals a bit. With the engine off, I pressed each pedal and slipped my foot off to the side. Allowing the pedal to move on its own from forward to neutral is noticeably slower than from reverse to neutral. I am quite tempted to crawl underneath and take a closer look at the damper cylinder that's connected to the pedal linkage. I'd have to think that a damper that damps in both directions (or another one in parallel but reversed) may help.

I sent an e-mail to the proprietor of BXpanded a few weeks ago suggesting that an external kit for this problem may be a potential new product for him. Here is his e-mail: contact@bxpanded.com

 

[thavil]

I told myself to wait and post this, after I received a call from my dealer on Saturday but when I received a different call from the regional rep, I thought others should know that Kubota is at least trying to fix this. Looks like I should have waited for the results.

Interesting. Lowering the pressure but does this mean less travel speed or working power ? I am curious and will be watching this for sure.

Good question and I was wondering this myself. I will let you know.

Thavil,

Why are you calling it BX 50 series??... Hope that isn't a dumb question.

Also...I will be up at your house on 17 April for our OPRC meeting. Are you going to be there??

Thanks,
Dean

The 50 series is the BX24, BX2350, BX1850, etc. The newer model BX tractors are the 60 series. All 50 series have this abrupt reverse stop issue.

Now that I know you will be here for the meeting, no I won't!!

i've heard of this ruse or red herring of a fix previously . . . but nothing ever materialized

I agree with you for now. Since I am directly affected, I will wait and see what happens. I know the post you are talking about from the other forum and I agreed then that there wasn't a fix.

My 2350 was at the dealer for three weeks. they adjusted pressure,changed the pump in trans,adjusted linkages and no help. Kubota state rep told me a week ago the only help for me would be a new 60 model. When he suggested this I asked for them to help with a deal for going into a 2360. numbers where discussed and he said that he could work with that and would talk to my sales and they would call me. Today monday april 6, I got the call,they have changed policy and will not help. I have been trying to get this fix all winter and my dealer has worked hard to help but Kubota has been hard to work with. They won't admit there is a problem saying at one point thats the way it was,that the way is and that is that. I feel sorry for some nice people a my dealer having to deal with such a company. For me when I get it paid for it"s gone and replaced with something where my satisfaction is important.

That's a raw deal you got, I hope they change their minds. I will not be trading up for a 60 series if this "fix" doesn't work. I like my BX24 and can deal with the issue.

Huh, I just spoke with my regional service rep (Minnesota) about a month ago. He told me there was no known fix for it.

I was told this also in the past.

 

[radioman]

Good question and I was wondering this myself. I will let you know.

Thanks- I also pray for you that if the "fix" makes the working power, travel slower isn't permanant. IF it is - This will make me a very unhappy owner .

 

[LBrown59]

Thavil,

Why are you calling it BX 50 series??... Hope that isn't a dumb question.


Thanks,
Dean

It's refuring to any of the BXs ending in 50
such as BX1850 2350 etc.

 

[manonthehill]

I had the fix done. It worked great for reverse. Slows down real slow and controled now. The only issue is if you hit forward before a complete stop it will snap. It is much better and worth the 3 weeks of shop time.

 

[Aquaman]

I've got kind of a different point of view about this. (That's not uncommon for me) My BX24 does pretty much the same thing and I HATED it for a long time. However.......after using it that way for a while, I got used to it and even learned to like it! I'm forever having to move a pile of dirt or gravel from point A to B. After scooping up a load and backing up, "popping the reverse pedal back up" shifts the load farther back in the bucket and you don't lose as much of it on the way to point B. This lets you start backing up alot sooner (before the bucket is fully curled up) and saves a little time. As for the sudden stop when doing other tasks, I realized after while that I was automatically letting the pedal up slower without having to think about it. Just MHO.

 

[radioman]

I had the fix done. It worked great for reverse. Slows down real slow and controled now. The only issue is if you hit forward before a complete stop it will snap. It is much better and worth the 3 weeks of shop time.

so the reverse and forward flow has been swapped ?? Pardon me , but this is what it sounds like.

 

[thavil]

I had the fix done. It worked great for reverse. Slows down real slow and controled now. The only issue is if you hit forward before a complete stop it will snap. It is much better and worth the 3 weeks of shop time.

Good to know. Not sure if I'm getting the same work done or not, they said they are coming to my farm and doing the work there.

 

[radioman]

Hopefully you will be there when they do the work and take notes for us ? hopefully some pictures if it not too much, no need to take pics of the kubota rep, but the actual process they did. Inquiring minds is dieing to know.

 

[fish6942]

Good to know. Not sure if I'm getting the same work done or not, they said they are coming to my farm and doing the work there.

Yes, please ask MANY questions. You can plan on being hounded by a number of us until we get the details!!

Thanks in advance.

 

[thavil]

Hopefully you will be there when they do the work and take notes for us ? hopefully some pictures if it not too much, no need to take pics of the kubota rep, but the actual process they did. Inquiring minds is dieing to know.

Yes, please ask MANY questions. You can plan on being hounded by a number of us until we get the details!!

Thanks in advance.

Will do. I will take the day off from work the day they decide to come (if they see this as a viable fix after they test it on one at their store). I will take notes, ask many questions and take pictures of what they do and post them the same day.

 

[manonthehill]

so the reverse and forward flow has been swapped ?? Pardon me , but this is what it sounds like.

No, that's not the case. Only on quick transition for back to front while still coasting back. And before you could never coast back...just snap to a stop.

 

[thavil]

As I promised to keep everyone updated on this "fix", here is the latest. Got home late tonight and had a message on my answering machine from my dealer. He tested the fix on a 50 series BX on his lot and DID NOT see a big improvement. He wants me to call him tomorrow to discuss. If he is willing, I think I will go ahead and ask him to do the "fix" on my BX. If the regional rep has seen some improvement on other tractors, maybe I will see some on mine. More to come...

 

[ACHINBAC]

Hate to be the poop in the punch bowl Thavil, but until there is a definitive resolution to this problem, I would not waste your time sending the BX to the dealer. I have an 07 - 24 and have been following this "Holy Grail" trail since purchase.

Manonthehill sounds as though he has had good results, but until Messicks blesses the fix I will remain skeptical . . .

Dave

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

That's right THAVIL don't try something free to fix a problem you have that may not work!!! Course if it were to improve yours then some of the rest of us will have to decide if we want to try something that helped one persons tractor but not someone elses. NO, No don't do it!!!