DK 45 remote hydraulics kit

[BigGuy]

I have a couple of questions regarding add-on hydraulics:
The local dealer quoted $347.00 for the second remote kit from KIOTI and about $575.00 for two cylinders (top-link and tilt) with all hoses and fittings.

1.) Are the prices fair? The Kit seems ok but the two cylinders seem high.

2.) What is involved in installing the kit? An hour or two or is it a major PITA?

Thanks for the input!
BigGuy

 

[intel]

I would like to do the same to my 2003 or 04, DK45. I just called my dealer he says there is no longer a kit but i would have to buy the individual parts. He says he will work up a price and get back with me.

 

[jinman]

IThe local dealer quoted $347.00 for the second remote kit from KIOTI and about $575.00 for two cylinders (top-link and tilt) with all hoses and fittings.

1.) Are the prices fair? The Kit seems ok but the two cylinders seem high.

2.) What is involved in installing the kit? An hour or two or is it a major PITA?

I'd like to respond by making a comparison. For the similar New Holland, The price of the remote kit is around $525. Your $347 is a very good price in my opinion. I'm also not sure about Kioti, but the installation of remotes on a New Holland ( I have three on my TC45D.) are very easy for the average mechanically inclined person. I'll bet someone here has done it and will give you specific advice on your tractor.

Your price of two cylinders and the hoses and fittings at $575 is also a very good price, but I think you may be able to beat the price and surely the quality of your TnT system if you purchase all those components from CCM. The DPOCVs on the CCM cylinders will make a superior TnT system.

CCM Machinery

 

[BigGuy]

Thanks for the replies - they are much appreciated.
Has anyone purchased cylinders from CCM for this set-up on a DK 45 and if so, which type (size) did you use and how did it work?
Does one need to weld eyelets on the ends or are they available ready to install?
Also, CCM offers different couplings, which are the correct ones for the KIOTI?
Thanks again for the help (hydraulics are not my strong suit)

BigGuy

 

[wallace]

1/2" pioneer fittings for the hose coupler.
The cylinders should come with them on it.
The hydraulic kit is still available from Kioti part#322013 rear Aux.Hydraulic (converts single to double)
The job can be done fairly easy but with a little time and some mechanical backround.

 

[BigGuy]

I bought the Kioti kit and the cylinders from my local dealer at the price stated.
Looks very good and heavy duty, all the hoses, fittings and extensions for the cylinders were installed and they even put it on a tractor to make sure the cylinders were the correct size and had no leaks before I picked them up = customer service!
The Kioti carton included everything except for instructions. I believe I can figure out how to install the valve, but a little guidance goes a long way. I assume the right rear tire has to come off to get to the small access panel in the fender?
Maybe Mr. Wallace can shed some light on this or possibly even e-mail or post the instructions?
Thanks, BigGuy

 

[KiotiDave]

Hi
Whenever we add rear remotes we just remove the seatand the plate it is mounted on. This gives a wide open (top view) of your valve assembly. The work involved varies from tractor to tractor, but it is not too complicated. Your dealer should be able to get you a diagram. If not, let one of the dealersknow and we will get one to you.
KiotiDave

 

[wallace]

Let me know if you need more than this?

 

[BigGuy]

Hi Dave and Rick,
thanks for the replies. I printed the diagram, that should be all I need. Good tip with removing the seat, I need to work on that anyway (guess they are not made for big guys).
I'll let you know how I made out when I am done.
BigGuy

 

[BigGuy]

Hello,
Well, I've managed to install the valve kit over the weekend. Not too difficult, however getting the threaded stems out was a project. Removing the access panel on the inside of the right rear fender helped to get a socket onto the nuts, but these stems were pretty tight. (I put two nuts on the stems and looked them togheter, this allowed me to back the stems out.)
Everything seems tight and works fine, thanks again for the help.
BigGuy

 

[buyerjohn]

posted this in another thread too...

I'm looking at this Kioti kit also...I already have rear remotes that power the backhoe and have hydro lines run to the front of the tractor...currently i use the A/B lever to control the rear remotes and in theory would use the same to control a grapple...not ideal as the A/B lever locks open/closed.

How would this kit make things better? I was quoted $450 installed.

thanks, John.

 

[KiotiDave]

Hi John,
The add on kit that goes fron single remotes to double remotes do not have the detents.(Part #322013) The first set that comes with the tractor has detents the second add on kit should not have the detents and should work smoothly.
KiotiDave

 

[buyerjohn]

Hi John,
The add on kit that goes fron single remotes to double remotes do not have the detents.(Part #322013) The first set that comes with the tractor has detents the second add on kit should not have the detents and should work smoothly.
KiotiDave

Thanks Dave - so does the second (new) set of remotes have a separate lever? and that's why it doesn't have the detents? If a new lever, does it sit next to the bucket hydro controller? and will it operate both sets of remotes (the old and the new) in the rear so I can run a top and tilt set up...whereas i can only run one or the other today ...is that correct? Or will the new lever only control the new set of remotes?

John.

 

[KiotiDave]

Hi,
It only runs the new remotes and the lever sits right along side the original remote lever.
KiotiDave

 

[buyerjohn]

Hi,
It only runs the new remotes and the lever sits right along side the original remote lever.
KiotiDave

so I guess that way i can leave the back hoe connected and operate the grapple open and close...are there products which integrate better with the bucket controller (like the joystick button i've read about) and, if so, what do those setups cost? do they give me much more flexiblity?

thank you.

 

[wallace]

so I guess that way i can leave the back hoe connected and operate the grapple open and close...are there products which integrate better with the bucket controller (like the joystick button i've read about) and, if so, what do those setups cost? do they give me much more flexiblity?

thank you.

THe joystick control 3rd function is the top notch way to go but it does have a price tag. one benifit to it is your hand never leaves the joystick.
The valve we put on give you a true 3rd function you can lift, angle, and roll all at the same time. It is a slick set up.
If your installing it yourself your looking in the ball park of $600-650
It will take about 4 hours to install.

 

[buyerjohn]

perhaps I didn't understand the prior posts Rick...

are you saying the new stick can control BOTH sets of remotes, therefore, allowing the control of two different hydraulic cylinders - which would mean it would control a top and tilt set up? and the existing A/B lever, it's still used but only for simply reversing the flow to the existing set of remotes?

Do I have that correct?

 

[wallace]

No the function that I am talking about has nothing to do with the rear remotes..This one gets plumbed into the power beyond of the loader valve and you run 2 new hydraulic hoses up to the front of the loader.
Don't pay any attention to the wire that something different.

 

[buyerjohn]

now i'm more confused ...

I understand that the Kioti kit will run new hoses to the front and a new lever will be added next to the current A/B lever...but how can you "lift, angle, and roll all at the same time"? Does this new lever take over the lift and roll functions of the present loader joystick? If not, wouldn't I need "two right hands" to control the present joystick and new stick simultaneously?

Also, I already have lines run from the back of the tractor to the front...should I just abandon those with this new kit?

sorry, I'm not getting it...

 

[Rudevette]

I think the new kit would simply add a third function to the loader. It would include lines that run down the loader arm to a set of remotes like those in the picture. It should also include the valve and some sort of control.

The question for Wallace would be, does the kit include a thumb switch that mounts on the loader control lever or is it a new loader control lever or what type of control does the third function have. I assume it is integrated into the loader control lever so that you can lift/dump/grapple or other third funtion all from the same lever? Do you have a picture of the control?


-Justin