50hr service do it yourself???

[IXLR8]

Didn't seem like his point to me,seemed his point was if dealer didn't do it your warrenty wouldn't be any good,what a crock.

Maybe it is different down under where he is from.. mate.

 

[greenmule]

Well maybe so.

Just think of all the lawyers that would find work if that would be the case,I mean,its up to dealer thing,dealer blesses you or not. Dealer says for you no more soup.[ain't got nothing against dealers,like mine as a matter of fact].

Yeah you should keep records,I wrote in my book when how and what with I did 50 hour service.And bought filters off my dealer and asked him about what oil for front and trans.

And yeah,if you put automatic transmission fluid in trans on your 50 hour thing,believe your warrenty might be in jepordy.[course it probably would work!].

 

[DrRick]

My paper work on the warranty has a note that the extended part of the drive train warranty(extended from 2 to 5 years) was predicated on the dealer being able to do the 50 hr warranty service. It did not say that was required on the kioti factory warranty term ( which was 2 years), which was shorter. It was a reasonable thing for me. It is a joint kioti/failsafe warranty. I bought my tractor from Hill country tractor in Bourne Texas.
rick

 

[greenmule]

I never got any paper work except bill of sale and owners manual. So,I'm exempt.

 

[Eagleview]

Didn't seem like his point to me,seemed his point was if dealer didn't do it your warrenty wouldn't be any good,what a crock.

I'll speak for myself .

So someone like yourself , with possibly no mechanical abillity at all , does the work and stuffs it up , or misses a fault , you would still then expect the dealer to repair the machine ?

Most tractor and machinery brands require the first service to be done by the dealer for warranty purposes . There are laws that say so , whether you know of them or not , whether the manufacturer puts it in the manual or not . Try standing beside one of thier barristers in court trying to argue the point . Pay the money and get it done right .

 

[greenmule]

Well,I disagree,and again believe your wrong.

You can't hide documents that would say something like that[in other words,if that was indeed the case,dealer would have to make this clear to buyer when buying],and kioti would have to make this clear as well,neither one said this in anyway.I never signed anything to this either. Dealer did say they could if I wanted,but since I told them I would do it,they said I was the kinda guy they liked!,no lie.

My owners manual just says the jobs marked by a circle with a dot in it must be done after the first 50 hours of operation. Doesn't say the dealer must do it.

And for many,their dealer is several hours away,if this has to be done by dealer,than dealer would have to come and either pick it up or do it at their house,labor and transportation,free.

So you are saying that everybody who has done their first 50 hour maintaince themselfs,no longer have a warrenty?

 

[LeTempt]

I have even done my own warranty work. I don't have a big enough trailer to haul my CK30hst. I'll explain or show the dealer what's wrong and he'll order the part. Luckily the only warranty work has been the hydro oil cooler and a valve on my bh.

Can you please explain in a little more detail how you did this? I had what appears to be a fairly common problem with my main wiring harness (head lights would not work) as soon as I rolled my 2008 CK30HST off the trailer last NOV. Thanks to the help of several great people on this list I managed to troubleshoot the problem and wired in a work around. I bought the tractor from a dealer that is 4+ hours away and really want to avoid a trip like this twice (once to get it there and then to go pick it up after the harness has been replaced) if I could have the parts shipped.

Thanks,
Jeff

Enterprise, AL
CK30H - 40 hours

 

[IslandTractor]

Can you please explain in a little more detail how you did this?

You should get a copy of the CK30 Workshop Manual. It should give you all the technical information you need to troubleshoot the electrical system and make the repair. Those of us who live inconvenient distances from the dealers can really benefit from having the manual for directions, for parts diagrams and as a reference point for having a discussion by phone with the dealer. Cost something like $75 but well worth it. (Caveat: I used to have a CK20 and the workshop manual in 2005 for that was not so hot. The new DK manual is great. Not sure if they have updated the CK manuals yet).

 

[greenmule]

Think I'll ask my dealer to get me one,75 bucks,thats pretty high,ain't spent that much money on a book,maybe never.

 

[IslandTractor]

Think I'll ask my dealer to get me one,75 bucks,thats pretty high,ain't spent that much money on a book,maybe never.

It's worth it (at least the DK version). Nicely done, comprehensive and not aimed primarily at an experienced diesel/tractor mechanic but rather at a willing semi mechanically inclined owner.

 

[Eagleview]

I doubt any man , woman or child would be able to to do this very important service with no skills (i doubt they would test your competence) and then have the FACTORY back them all the way when the engine throws a rod .

 

[RobS]

Hey guys, stick to the original topic and avoid personal attacks. I removed a couple of posts and cleaned up others. Thanks.

 

[IslandTractor]

I doubt any man , woman or child would be able to to do this very important service with no skills (i doubt they would test your competence) and then have the FACTORY back them all the way when the engine throws a rod .

IronHorse I think there are differences in how Daedong/Kioti deals with this issue in different markets. There may be some consumer protection laws in the US that prevent Kioti from taking as strong a stance as your tractor manufacturer does in Australia. In the US owners manual for the DK40se I found the following statement (and nothing like the one you posted):

Servicing: "Your dealer is interested in your new tractor and has the desire to help you get the most value from it. AFter reading this manual thoroughly, you will find that you can do some of the regular maintenance yourself." The rest of that section just talks about how to find you serial number and that you should be cautious about using non Kioti approved implements.

Under the Periodic Service heading, the owner's manual doesn't even mention the dealer and the initial 50 hr service is described in detail at a consumer level with photos, diagrams and lots of statements that begin with "you should....". It covers engine oil and filter, transmission oil and filters, front axle oil, brake pedal adjustment and grease fittings as well as checking wheel bolt torque. No where is the word dealer mentioned and the directions are clearly aimed at an owner not a technician.

No where could I find a statement as draconian as in the paperwork you received in Australia suggesting that the warranty would be invalidated if a dealer did not sign off on regular service (or specifically the initial 50hr service)

 

[MossRoad]

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No where could I find a statement as draconian as in the paperwork you received in Australia suggesting that the warranty would be invalidated if a dealer did not sign off on regular service (or specifically the initial 50hr service)

Draconian? That's a tad harsh. Kubota does the 50hr free of labor charge. Why would anyone not want the dealer to do it for free if they owned a Kubota? Anyhow, this is a Kioti thread, so, if Kioti says you can do it yourself and you enjoy that kind of work, then go ahead and do it yourself.

 

[IslandTractor]

Draconian? That's a tad harsh. .

I don't think so. Harsh or severe is an appropriate description. IronHorse's tractor manual basically says that if he doesn't have the dealer do the 50hr service that the manufacturer will (may) refuse to honor the warranty. That is pretty draconian and something that I doubt would stand up to US consumer protection laws. For example, Ford cannot invalidate your warranty because you used Jiffylube instead of your Ford dealer so long as you can document that the oil changes were done per Ford's recommended schedule.

Many tractor dealers do throw in the 50 hour service as part of their sales pitch but for those of us (as a PT owner you should know) who are many miles from their dealer, it is simply impractical to transport the tractor and too expensive to pay the dealer to come out to the field. Kioti USA seems to recognize this and gives the owner detailed instructions on how to do the 50hr service themselves. Apparently this is frowned upon in Australia, at least by IronHorse's tractor manufacturer.

 

[greenmule]

Well,moss,why would I want to do it myself,several reasons,.Its just easier for me.I know when I can be here to do it,don't have to deal with being at home when they come,know its done right,[you know there are mecanics and than there are mecinics,that guy who did yours might just be one of THOSE mecinics],etc. And in any case every body thinks different bout most things,if you wanted to do it or didn't want to,that would be up to you.

Iron horse,my owners manual says nothing like the page you got,doesn't even address it. Thats what I was saying,if dealer had to do it,something like the system described in that last thing you sent,would have to be in place,it ain't in place over here across the big water.

So,in the land down under maybe thats the case,but not in this country,on kiotis anyways.

Question for other tractor brand owners,[like p.t. and kubota],does your manual or anyother paper work you got say this like the sheet that iron horse sent?

And,I wouldn't describe changing the oils and filters as having mechanical ability,guess you need some common sense to do it, but you don't need to be a mecinic.

 

[IslandTractor]

Question for other tractor brand owners,[like p.t. and kubota],does your manual or anyother paper work you got say this like the sheet that iron horse sent?

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I am pretty sure that Federal consumer protection law prevents companies from requiring that service be done at a dealer. You need to be able to prove the work was done (ie Jiffylube receipts or oil purchase receipts/log book etc) but you do not need to use a dealer for prescribed service. That is for cars but I'd imagine tractors would fit in the same category.

 

[greenmule]

Think you are right,and it just makes sense.They[dealers] can and most do[all do?] charge you money when they do work and they use their parts,at their increased prices,as is the american way. No way would it be right to make you use them,if you don't want to. Now as far as warrenty,yes,they could say,either we do it or no warrenty,but than consumer could say,well come and do it than,I don't have anyway to get it to you,,and I ain't got but this much money and you'll have to drive over between 1 and 2 the 14th cause thats the only time my gate will be unlocked,and watch out for those two big dogs,they hate strangers,etc.

But,its not a question[now] as to do you want to or not,its become a question of can I? I never question why people do things like this and other simular things,people are people,what ever floats their boat. But when it becomes a question of CAN I, than thats a whole new thing. And in this case,if it ain't in writing,than you can. Maybe not in the land down under,but here,yes we can!

 

[Eagleview]

My tractor is not a Kioti (it's the only manual i had) but rather a New Holland , you know , Case , Fiat , Europe , America , worldwide , the manual i have is for ALL countries . And to keep it on topic , we are talking about the FIRST service , when the machine gets a multi point checkup (that does require a licensed mechanic to initiate the warranty) , not just the periodic oil change that anyone can do . If someone bought a New Holland anywhere in the world and did not take it back for it's 50 hour checkup and service and did it themselves and something went wrong with the machine . The judge at the small claims court would say , where is your proof that the service was even done ? You would say , i have the reciepts from Super Cheap for the oil and filters . The judge would say , how do we know the oil was not put in your car ? Are you qualified to detect a fault the tractor may have had ? He would make you pay all court costs as well as any costs the factory was out of pocket for and tell you to get out .

Where are the dealers that sell Kioti tractors ? I would like to hear from them . Does the Kioti/Daedong factory know that this has been happening ? Are they in fact happy to let the public certify the tractor is free of defects and will warrant , without question , the tractor for the remaining term ? If i am told by a dealer this is fact , and not by someone banging his head on the floor , i will pull my head in .

 

[greenmule]

Man....!