F250 superduty

[wincher]

I guess that is my point, I have a buddy that says tow it with what you have but something tells me by the time you look at the rust, the eng (which i could replace for a cost), and just the beating i know i have given it. I just can't help but think it would be just plan wrong for me to try to SAFELY tow this thing around. So a more capable truck is what i am after. NO matter what the brand. I love my dodge but the fords seem to be easier to find.

 

[Diamondpilot]

The main reason the Fords are so easy to find is they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined. Just a simple supply and demand thing. One thing you will find with the Fords is nearly 75% of all the F-250's and F-350's are diesel. It makes it hard to find a used one with a gas engine. I have been looking for a used V-10 F-350 SRW 4x4 to replace a 1999 F-350 7.3L diesel we lost last November due to a deer. It is next to impossible to find one that has not been worked to death. It seems the landscaping companies love the V-10 4x4 in our area and they have the beds all buggered up and they have spent their whole life pushing snow commercially or pulling a Bob Cat day in and day out.

Chris

 

[Builder]

The main reason the Fords are so easy to find is they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined. Just a simple supply and demand thing.
Chris

False.

In 2008 GM sold 1,697,351 trucks.

In 2008 Ford sold 1,264,368 trucks

In 2008 Chrysler sold 1,055,033 trucks

Source: Auto sales dismal for all automakers in December -

For the month of December 2008 sales of heavy duty pickups, GM & Dodge outsold Ford 15,839 units to Ford's 15,052 units:

Source: F-Series Trucks Pick Up Market Share, Silverado Leads Light-Duty Sales - PickupTrucks.com News

Chevy alone actually outsold Ford in light duty trucks in december 26,672 to Ford's 24,948 units. Throw in another 10,124 GMC light trucks and GM beats Ford in light truck sales by over 12,000 units in the month of December alone.

F-Series Trucks Pick Up Market Share, Silverado Leads Light-Duty Sales - PickupTrucks.com News

 

[mohrds]

False.

F-Series Trucks Pick Up Market Share, Silverado Leads Light-Duty Sales - PickupTrucks.com News

Depends how the numbers are added up. the last article you cite lists Ford F-Series as having a 47.83% market share for Heavy Duty trucks sold in December '08 at 15,052.
Chevy Silverado series came in at 21.59% and 6,668 trucks sold. GMC was 9.25% at 2,856 trucks sold and Dodge Ram was 20.44% at 6,315.

If you add together the GMC and Chevy, it still only accounts for 30.84%. Add in Dodge and you come up to 51.28%


So the point that Ford sells as many heavy duty trucks as Chevy, GMC, and Dodge combined is only 700 trucks away from being spot on. I'd say 700 out of 30,000 trucks sold in December of '08 is close enough to saying that Ford outsells the others combined.

I'm not trying to start a quoting war, just want to point out that surveys and numbers can always be grouped to prove whatever results someone is looking for.

Doug
Doug

 

[farmboy12]

False.

In 2008 GM sold 1,697,351 trucks.

In 2008 Ford sold 1,264,368 trucks

In 2008 Chrysler sold 1,055,033 trucks

Source: Auto sales dismal for all automakers in December -

For the month of December 2008 sales of heavy duty pickups, GM & Dodge outsold Ford 15,839 units to Ford's 15,052 units:

Source: F-Series Trucks Pick Up Market Share, Silverado Leads Light-Duty Sales - PickupTrucks.com News

Chevy alone actually outsold Ford in light duty trucks in december 26,672 to Ford's 24,948 units. Throw in another 10,124 GMC light trucks and GM beats Ford in light truck sales by over 12,000 units in the month of December alone.

F-Series Trucks Pick Up Market Share, Silverado Leads Light-Duty Sales - PickupTrucks.com News

Never ceases to amaze me how Chris and Duane can argue many of the same points over and over again. However, I think that's the most numbers I've seen on one page with the exception of my algebra homework. One point for Builder!


Kyle

 

[Builder]

Find the statistics that "Ford outsells GM & Dodge combined" in trucks and you'll make a believer out of me.

The only thing the stats show me is that Ford outsells GM in heavy duty pickups.

If you want to look at the past 10 years in HD diesel pickups, you'd see that GM has made great strides in the HD diesel pickup market in units sold. At one time in the late 90's, GM accounted for only 5% of diesel heavy duty pickup sales. That has changed a great deal thanks to GM having a better truck than they used to.

 

[Builder]

Never ceases to amaze me how Chris and Duane can argue many of the same points over and over again. However, I think that's the most numbers I've seen on one page with the exception of my algebra homework. One point for Builder!


Kyle

"Arguing" ??.....please.

Just give me the facts, and please remove the Ford blue-colored oval sunglasses before making statements.

 

[farmboy12]

"Arguing" ??.....please.

Just give me the facts, and please remove the Ford colored oval sunglasses before making statements.

What world are you in? Ford glasses are so out of style!

Dodge/Ram Red is what's in!



Kyle

 

[Diamondpilot]

Can you read Duane????


I quote myself. I said "The main reason the Fords are so easy to find is they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined."

Where did I say they outsold? Again, I said they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined. About being the key word.

Again we are talking HD pickups, like the F-250 the original poster asked about o from now on stop going to google and think and reread the question before you speak. You jumped my case for getting the front ends of my 3 trucks messed up, so now its your turn pal!

One point Doug!

Chris

 

[Builder]

Can you read Duane????


I quote myself. I said "The main reason the Fords are so easy to find is they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined."

Where did I say they outsold? Again, I said they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined. About being the key word.

Again we are talking HD pickups, like the F-250 the original poster asked about o from now on stop going to google and think and reread the question before you speak. You jumped my case for getting the front ends of my 3 trucks messed up, so now its your turn pal!

One point Doug!

Chris

They (Ford) "don't just about oustell" They (Ford) get easily outsold by GM & Dodge combined.

You gotta take off the Ford blue tinted oval sunglasses and get the facts right before you make statements trying to convince someone to buy something.

I think we owe it to our fellow members to be unbiased when we try to help another member make an important decison.

Now go back and study your Ford front axles so I don't have to teach you more about your Ford.

I won't even call you names if you get something wrong.

 

[farmboy12]

Can you read Duane????


I quote myself. I said "The main reason the Fords are so easy to find is they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined."

Where did I say they outsold? Again, I said they just about outsell the GM and Dodge offerings combined. About being the key word.

Again we are talking HD pickups, like the F-250 the original poster asked about o from now on stop going to google and think and reread the question before you speak. You jumped my case for getting the front ends of my 3 trucks messed up, so now its your turn pal!

One point Doug!

Chris

Actually, just ONE company JUST ABOUT outselling Ford is alot different than- "Ford JUST ABOUT outselling GM and Dodge combined." I'm trying to respect my elders here, but maybe BOTH of you guys should start reading ALL the posts, including your own. Sheesh!


BTW, the score's 1-1, but I guess I'll start playing too. One point for me, now it's-
Duane-1
Chris-1
Kyle- 1


Kyle

 

[Diamondpilot]

They (Ford) "don't just about oustell" They (Ford) get easily outsold by GM & Dodge combined.

You gotta take off the Ford blue tinted oval sunglasses and get the facts right before you make statements trying to convince someone to buy something.

I think we owe it to our fellow members to be unbiased when we try to help another member make an important decison.

Now go back and study your Ford front axles so I don't have to teach you more about your Ford.

I won't even call you names if you get something wrong.

Either way it take 2 companies to compete with the leader.

I have been around long enough, I don't need you to teach me anything. I made a mistake and you love it. I am biased because both GM trucks I have owned left a bad taste in my mouth. The Dodge was not much better but they were a much better company to deal with. Makes you wonder why Ford did not take the bail out money but GM and Dodge had to so they could stay afloat? Maybe there are tons of people like me who have had the same experience?

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Actually, just ONE company JUST ABOUT outselling Ford is alot different than- "Ford JUST ABOUT outselling GM and Dodge combined." I'm trying to respect my elders here, but maybe BOTH of you guys should start reading ALL the posts, including your own. Sheesh!


BTW, the score's 1-1, but I guess I'll start playing too. One point for me, now it's-
Duane-1
Chris-1
Kyle- 1


Kyle

I don't feel I need a point, I was right to start with. Doug needs the point for calling out Duane.

Chris

 

[wkpoor]

I have an 05 F250 Super duty with 5.4 engine. Mine has an automatic. I get about 16 mpg highway and about 10 mpg towing. I have towed up to a 12000 lb excavator and trailer. It handled it pretty well, but of course I needed trailer brakes and controller. Some of the F250 have built in controller that's supposed to be very good. I added mine aftermarket. I routinely tow my boat. appx. 3000 lbs. I can't even tell it's back there.

I'm jumping in here kinda late but you can do alot with a small motor if you gear it right. I'm towing on a regular bases 12K behind a 5.7 and I gotta say it does quite well. Sure the hills can take some snot out of it but for the most part I do just fine. I'm sure the 5.4 can do well especially with a good low gear. Who cares what the mileage is. It could never make up for up charges on bigger motors unless you tow for a living.

 

[farmboy12]

I don't feel I need a point, I was right to start with. Doug needs the point for calling out Duane.

Chris

Yea, I don't even know why I gave you a point. And, don't even know if Doug wants to play this game. Well, you were honest, I don't know if that deserves a point...and you were right to start with, I'll give you a point.


Kyle

 

[Ryan03]

IMO, to imply that a 5.4 triton or a 6.0 gm etc. etc. are inadequate in a 3/4 ton as ablanket statement is simply not the case. Granted, if you are looking to pull a decent size load down the highway fairly frequently, the smaller displacement gasoline engines tongues have a tendancy to hang out on uphill grades and merging, deep gears will help alot, but as they say, there is no replacement for displacement. Many folks in my part of the country buy HD 3/4 ton 4x4 pickups primaraly as winter plow trucks and fair weather drivers. The lions share of these trucks seem to be powered by the base model V8's. A 5.4 triton or 6.0 Vortec with an auto and 4:10s or 4:11's depending on the make will easily have enough power to push over a foot of wet snow with an 8 foot blade in 4Hi, traction on the other hand, will often be the limiting factor, not engine size. These trucks will do a reasonable job towing a trailer in a city enviroment, such as a landscaping or municipal truck application. It is with a trailer on the highway where the base engines will fall short when loaded to or near the max GCVWR. In these situations, a V-10 or diesel will realy shine.

 

[Diamondpilot]

In my area if you walk the lots you will never find a gas 3/4 ton or larger, they just do not sell. Now the economy may change things. I have been searching for a V-10 Ford for the last 4 months in a 100 mile area and I would guess that less than 5% are gas.

I can see a city or college ordering a gas version of these trucks but you would never see them on a used car lot, they toss them when they are worn out. It seems they use them till they drop.

To be honest I have mainly been looking at Fords but have glanced at a few Dodges and GM Trucks and they seem to be at the same ratios gas to diesel.

The one other thing I have noticed also is there is not the number of 2-3 year old trucks out for sale. All the dealers I have talked to says that why there are great deals on new ones they are not giving anything for the used ones. I have heard this every where I have went and seems to be true when I search the local auto trader. The for sale by owner trucks seem to be priced 25% higher and they are just trying to get a pay off. Makes them sick because they may owe $30000.00 on a truck thats worth $22500.00. They can not sell it without taking a loss because the banks will not loan over book value.

Chris

 

[Ryan03]

I agree whole heartedly as far as the incentives and interest rates on new trucks realy making the resale value on recent model used trucks take a wack. IMO, most of the time , if the buyer takes out a 60 mo. loan on a vehicle, and has little or no equity in their trade, and no money to put down, and drives the average amount of miles per year, they will almost always end up upside down in the loan, or close to it. The incentives on new trucks have just increased the amount, speaking in terms of dollars that people are upside down in their auto loans, but not neccecarily created the problem.

In my part of the country, NE ohio, the heart of the snow belt, It is hard to find a new car dealer from sept. to april that does not have at least 5 base engine 3/4 ton 4x4's of varying cab configurations in stock. Two out of three will have one or two diesels, and as far as a v-10...... Well lets just say they were the majority 8 years ago, but these days they are like UFO sightings, every now and them you here about a new one at a dealer from second hand source, but it always plays out to be fiction. The big gas engines have been pretty much order only for years around here.

 

[Soundguy]

I know my 6.0 diesel in my f250 had no problem whatsoever dragging a 7000# load home from texas to florida last year.. handled the inclines flawlessly. I would not wanted to have made that trip with my 1500 dodge ram w/ 5.9gasser.. it simply doesn't feel as strong as the diesel, pulling a load when you hit a hill. I use both those trucks on short hauls to tractor shows and such... the 3/4 ton just handles better overall.

soundguy

IMO, to imply that a 5.4 triton or a 6.0 gm etc. etc. are inadequate in a 3/4 ton as ablanket statement is simply not the case. Granted, if you are looking to pull a decent size load down the highway fairly frequently, the smaller displacement gasoline engines tongues have a tendancy to hang out on uphill grades and merging, deep gears will help alot, but as they say, there is no replacement for displacement. Many folks in my part of the country buy HD 3/4 ton 4x4 pickups primaraly as winter plow trucks and fair weather drivers. The lions share of these trucks seem to be powered by the base model V8's. A 5.4 triton or 6.0 Vortec with an auto and 4:10s or 4:11's depending on the make will easily have enough power to push over a foot of wet snow with an 8 foot blade in 4Hi, traction on the other hand, will often be the limiting factor, not engine size. These trucks will do a reasonable job towing a trailer in a city enviroment, such as a landscaping or municipal truck application. It is with a trailer on the highway where the base engines will fall short when loaded to or near the max GCVWR. In these situations, a V-10 or diesel will realy shine.

 

[Jimbrown]

Well I don't own a 5.4 but I do have a F250 Power Stroke 06 model and it is the best truck I ever owned it gets 15 MPG empty and about 12 or so pulling 10,000lbs or better. My wife pulls this traier at least a 100miles a week. It weighs 6000 lbs before she loads it full of tack and horses. It will run 80 mph plus all day long on I-10.