cold starting

[robert421960]

good mornring
i have a farm pro 2425 i think that is right (25 hp 4wd)
every since i bought it i have trouble starting in in the cold weather
i turn the switch on to warm the manifold or whatever it warms i know it is working because it draws the amp meter way down when in this position
but it still cranks so slow it wont start the tractor
do they make a block warmer for these tractors?
i feel this would resolve my problem
Thanks
Robert

 

[Affordable]

They do make a inline heater that goes in the lower radiator hose that you plug in, They are made by Katz, we have them in stock if you want to order one please call us at 979-865-4002

Thanks Tommy
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[DwayneB]

other things that help.
clean all connections good and get a better battery than the chinese one.

My tractor has the Y485 engine and is terrible in winter. If it's below 30 degrees might as well figure on plugging it in. The Katz heater Tommy mentioned does a very good job. It will warm the block up in about 2 hrs. Then it will start without even using the glow plugs.

 

[Egon]

For a stop gap solution just throw a tarp over the tractor and put a small electric heater under it for several hours. That should make many of the cold starting problems go away.

 

[greg_g]

but it still cranks so slow it wont start the tractor

Use your compression release

//greg//

 

[SPIKER]

a different way to go is to use a heat lamp, shine it onto the injector pump and block side., I second the tarp over top, across the FEL arms, I set lamp under the tarp, lower rad hose heaters tommy has will work great too. I usually only start mine when big snows come around, and Keep a small trickle charger on there to keep battery full up. compression release works to, lighter oil in winter ect. all works well..

Mark

 

[Diamondpilot]

Put the lower hose heater on and you will not be able to figure out how you got along with out it. Just one word of caution, you still need to let the tractor warm up. What I do is go out and plug it in then 45 minutes later start the tractor and do something else like run the snow blower for 15 minutes or so while the tractor warms up.

Chris

 

[robert421960]

thanks for all your help
ill buy one of those heaters
Robert

 

[Ranch_Hand_Supp]

but it still cranks so slow it wont start the tractor


Thanks
Robert

There are several things that could be causeing / effecting your starting problem.

A coolant heater in the lower radiator hose will no doubt help on those COLD starts.

Your statement that it cranks slow. The cranking speed can helped from having warm oil but, if you have a tired / weak battery .... electrical connection etc..... you still may experiance a starting problem even if you use or have compression release. Not all have it.

A quick check for the battery ....... Hook up a set of jumper cables and see if that will increase your cranking speed??



Ronald
Ranch Hand Supply

 

[robert421960]

i went home last night
it was about 35 outside
i took another advice and kept the glow plug on for alot longer then when cranking i used compression release and it did start
i still have slow cranking but it started
thanks to all again for your help
Robert

 

[Affordable]

Robert ,when its cold hold the Key in the H position for a count to 20 then start, I think you will find it will fire right up

Tommy
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[mffarmall]

I have had problems with mine starting. There are a few things besides the all important get a block heater. I have a timer that I use when starting in cold weather. That way I know that I have heated the glow plugs. Usually for 1.5 to 2 minutes. It's easy to loose track of time in the cold. I also park on some plywood under the engine to keep the cold away.

A strange thing. I grew up in Arizona and it is amazing how an overhang for the engine can help. It can trap the heat rising from the ground. Works good in the winters. It also is open so it keeps animals, bugs, or mother in laws from finding a home.

Sometimes I shoot some engine starter to kick it started. I do this with the understanding that my FarmPro will be replaced in under 10 years.

Then the most important thing of all. Start your tractor every few weeks before it is cold. I like to run mine up the road in 3rd.

You can also take your battery inside to help keep it warm and happy.

 

[SPIKER]

I have had problems with mine starting. There are a few things besides the all important get a block heater. I have a timer that I use when starting in cold weather. That way I know that I have heated the glow plugs. Usually for 1.5 to 2 minutes. It's easy to loose track of time in the cold. I also park on some plywood under the engine to keep the cold away.

You can also take your battery inside to help keep it warm and happy.

1 min is long time on the glow plugs, they will tend to burn out on you. usualy 10~30 sec is more than long enough to (HEAT) them up with is what causes the fuel to light faster the HEAT on the glow plug tip. the plugs don't actually HEAT the engine up. just the tip for faster/easier combustion starting...

also removing the battery is a chore on most of these machines. it is easier to use a trickle charger maintainer that is designed to keep it at full charge.
I am in northern OHIO, and have never used block heater, and usually only run it 3~5 times in winter never fails to start (When glow plugs are working) and if it is below 20 degrees I put a heat lamp on to injection pump for a while prior to attempting to start it. I have started it -14F once when I was stuck in drive with car & needed it to run to get me out. I waited for 20 min and took all of 3 trys to be fully running. 30 sec of glow plug heat each time. I didn't have the heat lamp on there more than 10 min that time as I was in a hurry... also use the de-compression handle if it is really cold or thicker oil in engine.

mark M
mark

 

[Egon]

[I have had problems with mine starting. There are a few things besides the all important get a block heater. I have a timer that I use when starting in cold weather. That way I know that I have heated the glow plugs. Usually for 1.5 to 2 minutes. It's easy to loose track of time in the cold. I also park on some plywood under the engine to keep the cold away.
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Okay

 

[redneckford]

[I have had problems with mine starting. There are a few things besides the all important get a block heater. I have a timer that I use when starting in cold weather. That way I know that I have heated the glow plugs. Usually for 1.5 to 2 minutes. It's easy to loose track of time in the cold. I also park on some plywood under the engine to keep the cold away.
/QUOTE]

Okay

Watch out for those English Language purist----They will complain about their inability to understand tractor talk

 

[jjkane]

I have a Jinma 284 and was experiencing the same type of problems but then I installed a lower radiator hose heater and it made all the difference in the world. I even use it in the summer to simplify the process. I picked it up at Tractor Supply for about 20.00.

jjk

 

[mffarmall]

Put in a block heater and had it snow the next night. Tractor started up great with only needing 5 minutes to warm up. I just plugged her in and came back in about 15 minutes.

 

[mffarmall]

From my help post. I found that my new heater has stopped working. They should make them so the plug unit can be taken off and replaced. Now I have to replace it three weeks later and buy/use more antifreeze.

 

[atgreene]

Just fwiw, instead of starter fluid, use WD 40. Lubes the cylinders and isn't quite so volitile.

Block heaters need a couple hours to heat, and explain to me the plywood thing again?

 

[mffarmall]

The ground is cold, when native people are in cold situation they lay fiber and other items down before they put down their sleeping cloths. The heat from a body will draw cold up. So the wood puts a barrier between the engine and the cold that rises. Metal is a cold sponge, it takes it in like a cold blooded rep takes heat. The wood pushes the cold away. And if their is snow on the wood it acts like insulation when the engine is warm and sitting on the wood. As the tractor cools it draws the cold up from the ground.