Tractor Performance: diesel vs gas

[Soundguy]

I think he is insinuating that we are sitting in the cheap seats and heckling the performer.... hey, that sounds like fun!

The seats are cheap, free, in fact.

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Pretty fair assessment.. not all encompassing.. but pretty fair. I think I meant to add in a to that comment to keep it friendly..but left it out somehow ... I see I at least remembered to put on in in the reply 2 posts later at least.

soundguy

 

[john_bud]

Older stuff was more palin..

soundguy

You've been hitting the political stuff too hard!



jb

 

[Egon]

I think he is insinuating that we are sitting in the cheap seats and heckling the performer.... hey, that sounds like fun! :D

Moss, it took a while but it may have been figured it out. Being in Soundguys "Peanut Gallery" must mean one is just a ordinary normal type of person with a normal perspective on life!

 

[Soundguy]

You've been hitting the political stuff too hard!



jb

Oops!.. that should have read 'plain'.. not 'good looking gov from alaska'.. my bad!

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Being in Soundguys "Peanut Gallery" must mean one is just a ordinary normal type of person with a normal perspective on life!

Naw... the small handfull of people that have prestegous honor of being in my peanut gallery ( read: ignore list ) are few and far between.. and mostly compose people that like to interject more argument than content....


soundguy

 

[Egon]

Is the performer preforming again!?

 

[D7E]

" ULSD offers no discernible difference in fuel economy or performance versus diesel."



Andy

That statement is JUST PLAIN WRONG! 29 years practical experience as a school bus mechanic/driver speaking here.[/QUOTE]

I have several fordsons of similar age both gas and diesel and side by side the diesels have more power and i shudder when i think how bad on fuel the old gas combines were before switching to diesel of same size..?
And i agree that the gas is a pain in the *** to keep running ,Diesel is far easier ...?

 

[Soundguy]

I have several fordsons of similar age both gas and diesel and side by side the diesels have more power .?

Are the engines you are refering to actually specified as the same hp? If not.. the direct comparison isn't as meaningfull.. etc.?

soundguy

 

[D7E]

I'm sure that the diesel major is about 5 hp more than the petrol although the difference just as well be 20hp . The MF 35's were the same where's that nice 3cyl diesel we had in the british ones.
What's with this gas fantasy ...Spluttering and popping/No torque ...Becoming obselete for parts ....?

 

[jimmysisson]

This doesn't maybe apply to op in Houston, but I find the best feature of a diesel is the compression ****** going down steep hills in my woods. With fwa, you can stay safe without relying on the brakes even with a heavy trailer pushing you. In my cold climate, my diesels have needed block heaters but run very good after startup. Never had a new one, so ymmv.
Jim

 

[MossRoad]

I've known a couple guys with those large IH with the hydros. decent machines actually.. they kept putting thicker oil in the hydro the weaker it got till it finally went out.. by then they scrapped the tractor ( unfortunately ).. I hate to see -any- old iron get scrapped.

soundguy

Instead of scrapping mine, I sold it to an IH parts yard. It will see life again in many other tractors.

 

[ccsial]

Gasoline exhaust: carbon monoxide (death)
Diesel exhaust: nitrous oxide (laughing gas)

That explains why I'm always so happy when I'm driving my tractors.

 

[patrick_g]

I bet it smells even better when you have lung cancer and your on oxygen because of it.

Recently published report tells about how the finer particulate size of diesel exhaust gets into lungs and STAYS there, not removed by cilia. Diesel exhaust increases cancer risk quite a bit. I still like a whiff now and then for old times sake but try to not get hooked (I'm just chippin')


Pat

 

[Soundguy]

What's with this gas fantasy ...Spluttering and popping/No torque ...Becoming obselete for parts ....?

Obsolete? I know of plenty of diesels harder to get aprts for than some gassers.. etc.

soundguy

 

[WilliamBos]

Obsolete? I know of plenty of diesels harder to get aprts for than some gassers.. etc.

soundguy

But the gassers offer NO advantage whatsoever. Why bother. Rebuilds are no more complex on diesels, injector pumps get done by shops, so why bother with gassers.

 

[shakin]

why are you paying more for diesel, you dont need to buy over the road diesel which has alot of taxes in it. buy the off road stuff, many places sell it.

 

[Soundguy]

But the gassers offer NO advantage whatsoever. Why bother. Rebuilds are no more complex on diesels, injector pumps get done by shops, so why bother with gassers.

Considering the higher compression ratio.. I would say that more skill is required to rebuild a diesel.

I can rebuild a carb on my desk.. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing an injector pump.

An injector pump and the injectors can require some specific test equipment not needed for the average gasser...

Why bother with a gasser.. remember.. Liquified petro engines are gassers.. and there are LOTS of applications for them where a diesel would not be appropriate.. like indoor warehouses.. So there at least one advantage that you dismissed out of hand..

soundguy

 

[GaryCrowell]

I've got a 99 dodge diesel with 342,000 miles on it. It pulls as well now as it did when I got it. I just got through moving our deer camp's JD 4020 with it. I check my fuel mileage every time I fuel up and over the year or so since we switched to ULSD around here I have noticed absolutely no decrease in fuel mileage. NONE, nada, zip. It still gets 21-22 mpg highway running around empty, just like it did before ULSD.

The 342,000 miles on this truck are the main reason I prefer diesel over gas. It's highly unlikely that this truck would still be running with a gas engine at 342K. With the diesel it's still running like new and still working pulling very heavy loads. The things that soundguy lists as a gasser's attributes, the carburetor and points, are the two things that I miss the least about old gas engines. I was a hotrodder in high school and spent most of my teen years tinkering with old muscle cars. I've rebuilt plenty of carburetors and set the gap on points more than once along with getting shocked by a few condensors. Thank God for fuel injection and electronic ignitions is my point of view, if I never see another carburetor or set of points in my lifetime it'll be too soon.

 

[Egon]

Thank God for fuel injection and electronic ignitions is my point of view, if I never see another carburetor or set of points in my lifetime it'll be too soon.

And I am quite sure there are many others who will say the same thing.

 

[WilliamBos]

Considering the higher compression ratio.. I would say that more skill is required to rebuild a diesel.

I can rebuild a carb on my desk.. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing an injector pump.

An injector pump and the injectors can require some specific test equipment not needed for the average gasser...

Why bother with a gasser.. remember.. Liquified petro engines are gassers.. and there are LOTS of applications for them where a diesel would not be appropriate.. like indoor warehouses.. So there at least one advantage that you dismissed out of hand..

soundguy

Injector pumps and injectors get farmed out. Would attempt to tinker with a spare pump during the winter sometime. But as far as the rebuild goes, I would say the compression differences are just numbers. Same care goes in to assembly as a gasser. Now if you are saying you can do a quickie shoddy rebuild of a gasser and get away with it, fine. Will it last, probably not. I say do it right the first time, or don't bother doing it.

If I ever build a hot rod, it WILL be fuelie. The card and all the crap associated with it will be on the scrap pile real fast.

Indoor yes, but out door forklifts... DIESEL. LPG and freeze up are a common thing during the winter months.