Yet another sub panel question...

   / Yet another sub panel question... #21  
I think that is a GREAT plan /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Yet another sub panel question... #22  
Remember that you can actually use as "big" a panel as you want. In many cases, you can get more breaker slots for less money with a higher rated panel. A panel's rating is the maximum it can handle. Since this is a sub panel, the breaker in the main(entry) panel that feeds it and the feeder conductors between the panels have to match. Put another way, the sub panel and its feeder will be protected by the breaker in the main panel. So as long as the sub panel is rated at or higher than that breaker's rating, you are OK. Of course, the total of all the simultaneous loads in the sub panel can't exceed that rating...
 
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#23  
I realize that. I just made the comment about already using four spaces in reply to the suggestion to get a 6 or 8 space box. Still, it does seem like such overkill to have to move up to a 24 space box as I believe I will be using at least 13 spaces.

Jeff
 
   / Yet another sub panel question... #24  
My general feeling on something like this goes something like this.

1 - buy the biggest box you have room for. There is nothing worse than running out of breaker slots. You already discovered that on your main.

2 - Anything over 1 (real) hp should be wired for 220v and needs a 220 breaker. The good news is you can use smaller wire in your shop and loose less to heating the wire. The bad news is they take up two breaker slots. They do have dual 220's and 220's with two 110's on the side though so you don't really loose that much.

3 - Picking http://www.electricsupplyonline.com/wire-romex.php as a random place to check prices, 2/3 romex goes for 1.79/ft vs 0.94/ft for 6/3 romex. I would expect other places to charge using a similar ratio.

4 - There is a fine line between stingy and frugal. I try to be frugal. On the other hand I would rather buy a little more than I need than a little less than I need.

5 - A decent dust collector suitable for running a small shop like http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?ItemNumber=G8027&site=grizzly will draw 14amps of 110v, 7amps of 220v. 500 cfm is the right size for one large tool or several small tools.

6 - you said you have already run a circuit from the main panel to the shop for your air compressor. This suggests that it is not that hard a run.

So, my initial gut reaction based entirely on how the light reflects off the throttle lever on my kubota is ... I would seriously think about dropping two subs. A 60 amp sub would be overkill for the living area, but a 60 amp sub would be sufficient for a shop allowing for easy expansion. Materials would probably cost about the same as running a 100 amp sub to service both. Depending on how you would have done the appliance outlets in shop and living quarters, labor might even be about the same.

Price it out different ways and see what makes the most sense for you.
 
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#25  
The way the basement is layed out I would need to put both 60 amp panels in the same place so I think I will stick with the 100 amp 24 space panel. I didn't run the circuit for the 220 compressor but I have run three circuits for lights and some plugs. The only concern I have is how hard it will be to get the large romex up to the main box which is in a finished insulated wall. I have also been considering just putting the sub right next to the main and tearing down some drywall to do it. I am planning on repainting my upstairs garage anyway in a semi gloss as opposed to the flat that's on the walls now. Something tells me that I would rather have it down in the garage/shop area though and the price for the romex isn't as bad as I had feared. Oh well, I have one more bit of framing to do then I will finally get on with the electrical.

Jeff
 
   / Yet another sub panel question... #26  
For shop/utility use, it is worth having the panel located close to where the loads are- in an emergency, it's good to be able to to kill a circuit. And most hard wired devices require a disconnect that is either visible from the load or can be locked. Having the panel in the shop will typically meet this requirement. As a bonus, the effort in running the feeder only has to be done once- from then on any additional circuits are local to the shop- probably easier than another run back to a panel next to the main.
 
   / Yet another sub panel question... #27  
The romex is too expensive and not really necessary. Make sure you measure very, very carefully. It's way too expensive to have to buy two! Good luck. The two panel idea is worthy of consideration. Often we think one is preferable to "save" labor and $. However, these things are sometimes counterintuitive. The price of the larger wire seems to go up exponentially.
 

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