Yanmar

Anonymous Poster · Jan 22, 2001

Ok my dreams for now are gone for my new tractor!! I am new in here I have some other posts about new tractors, but now with our new house I just can't afford it.. We Just got our gas bill and it was super high.... So anyway I will be buying a used tractor. I found a dealer who get yanmars and mitsubishi tractors from Japan. They all have been gone through and new paint and new loaders, most of them have around 300hrs on them and they do come with the owners manu. and a 30 day warrenty. I can get a Yanmar 20hp with power shift for about $7500. What do you guys think??? I have 5 acres and I do need and WANT a tractor real bad. I guess I just have to be more realistic and get a used tractor for now. Please help and let me know what all you experts think.. Thanks

RobS · Jan 22, 2001

Darins, I'll take a stab at this as I went through a similar process before purchasing my tractor. In fact, my JD790 is a Yanmar built entirely in Japan as is the 4100 and the rest of the 4xxx series use Yanmar engines. Without doubt, Yanmar is a respectable builder. Some issues I recall with non-US spec Yanmars (so called grey market tractors) are parts and service availability. Most didn't have 4X4 or power steering (both nice, but not absolutely necessary with a front loader). There may be issues with PTO speed and rotation direction as well as PTO shaft configuration. I found enough potential issues to steer myself away pretty quickly. If you want more info search this forum and check the Compact Tractor Board. There is a section over there for grey market units. Good luck with your decision!

Rob

Anonymous Poster · Jan 22, 2001

If you can afford about $3000 more... it will get you a BRAND NEW John Deere 790 with a 730 day "new" warranty with 25 PTO HP etc. etc.

Right now, I understand they have a special financing program going on also to stretch your cash flow.

Good luck.

geneP · Jan 22, 2001

Darins, I think you will find a few here on Tractorbynet who have bought used, but we are badly outnumbered by buyers of new ones. Typically high used prices and uncertain history of the tractors seem to be the main reasons for buying new.

I, like you, was looking at grey market tractors. On my way to a dealer in grey tractors I passed a dealer with used tractors on his lot and stopped to look. I ended up buying a made-for-America Kubota with 1000 hr., 21 PTO HP, live pto, and power steering for less that most wanted for the grey tractors.

The asking price for the Yanmar sounds high to me. If it is a YM2010, it is an older two cylinder that is not as smooth running as the more modern 3 cylinder engines. The powershift is a nice feature, though. I'd suggest looking around and satisfy yourself you've found the right deal before buying.

Thomas · Jan 22, 2001

Darins,
Yes indeed the family and the home should come before a tractor.

If you don't need 4wd tractor at this time you should be able to pick up a darn good 2wd w/FEL maybe less than $7,500.oo,and futher down the road you could trade it in towards a Kubota.

Enjoy your new home and stay warm.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

ERNIEB · Jan 22, 2001

Darins, here on TBN there is a forum on grey market tractors. You might want to look thru it. It has a thread on Yanmar, and alot of good general information.

Ernie
"I go whole hog in the cause for Texas"
Micajah Autry Jan. 1836 (in a letter to his wife)

jyoutz · Jan 23, 2001

Darins, I think that Robs pretty well covered the info on Yanmar. I think that they are very dependable well-made tractors, indeed my 4100 is made by Yanmar. I do think that what others mentioned about price is certainly a big consideration -at $7500 the price difference with used JD's, Kubotas, Ford-NH, is not that much different and I would go that route instead. But if you could find a good Yanmar for less than $5000, then it would be a good consideration. I have seen lots of Yanmars on E-bay, in our state newspaper and machinefinder.com in the $5000 price range.

RobS · Jan 23, 2001

Darins, here is a link to a Grey Market tractor paper I found a long time ago through CTB. Some useful information...

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/kb13/ans_grey.htm

Rob

lens12 · Jan 24, 2001

Re: Yanmar parts, etc

I'd like to clear up a couple points about Yanmar grey market tractors. Parts are on a whole are readable available. There are parts that are not avialable, but that is true for other compacts of the same age. I deal in parts for compact tractors. Yanmars are the easiest parts to get. Try getting parts for a Bolens . It can be a real nightmare, plus the other brands parts are a lot more expensive. Yanmar doesn't have backward running pto's. Kubota & Mitsubishi do have some. Pto shafts are standard 540 shafts. Mitsubishi uses different sizes shafts. Pto speeds are not a problem. As for safety features, when these tractors were made, the US tractors were not required to have them either. As you can see there is much misinformation out there. Yanmar dealers are not required to sell parts for grey Yanmars. Many older dealerships don't have access to grey parts books, so wouldn't know where to start. In buying any grey market tractor , do your home work. . The important thing when buying a grey tractor is to locate a dealer that can support your tractor. . Feel free to contact me at sheaftractor@coiinc.com or 815-284-3226 , if you have any questions or are in need of parts or manuals.

Anonymous Poster · Jan 24, 2001

Re: Yanmar 790

I WAS JUST TALKING TO MY JD DEALER AND ASKED HIM ABOUT THE 790 AND HE SAID THAT THEY ARE ALL MADE (790) BY YANMAR. HE SAID THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE A LIVE PTO. HE SAID THAT FOR THE $ THE BEST BET STILL IS THE 4100 .$13,000 WITH A LOADER AND HYDR. I AM STILL LOOKING. THIS SITE SURE HAS HELPED ME OUT WITH LOTS OF GREAT INFO. THANKS

Anonymous Poster · Jan 24, 2001

Re: Yanmar 790

JD790 2wd is Transmission driven pto, However the 4WD 790 is continuous Live PTO. This is an updated Yanmar, probably your grandkids will still be using it... 25 PTO HP Basic No frills 4WD tractor like the everready bunny... just keeps on going & going & going.

HP & Size wise, this unit is closer to the JD4300 than the 4100. For $10,600, I think a bargain! (You would think I have stock in this company?)

If you get a chance, go to a dealer and put the 790, 4100, & 4300 side by side. I think you'll be impressed with this 790. The 790 looks like a big bully next to the little 4100.

RobS · Jan 24, 2001

Re: Yanmar 790

DarinS, I completely agree with Mr. Miller on the 790. I got my 790 4X4 last fall after looking at all colors shapes and sizes of tractors both new and used. I found the late model low hour used tractors to be almost as expensive as new but without the warranty (in most cases) and the higher hour used tractors were really beat. I wanted a tractor I could use, not work on. After looking at the "economy" offerings of Kubota, Deere and NH I quickly settled in on the 790. I'm very impressed with it's capabilities and quality. I also have a great dealer (Walkers Farm and Garden in Union, MI). Of course you have to be willing to shift as no HST is available. This suited both my wife and I just fine (she's still fuming that you can't get a mini-van in this country with a stick). As mentioned, compare the 790 to a 4100 and a 4300. It's really a good size machine. You won't find the hp of the 790 in anything near that price. And after all, isn't a tractor nothing more than a portable power plant anyway? It's the implements that do all the work.

Enough rambling. Good luck with whatever you do.

Rob

Anonymous Poster · Jan 24, 2001

Re: Yanmar 790

Thanks again guys. I do like the power on the 790. and size I am fairly new in this tractor stuff. So this is great info. I don't know why the dealer would try to talk me out of the larger tractor but he said it was the pto. was not live. So is that when you put in the clutch the pto will stop? I would like more info on the 790 from you so then I will go look and try one out. Tony Is that price with a loader or without? I will definetly need a loader. Thanks again

RobS · Jan 25, 2001

Re: Yanmar 790

Darins, the 790 has what is called a two stage clutch. When you push it in about halfway it disengages the transmission to allow for shifting and changing directions. All the way in also disengages the PTO. This allows you to change directions and/or shift gears while maintaining the momentum of the PTO driven implement. It takes a bit to get used to as my natural tendancy is to push the clutch in all the way every time. It's also a pretty subtle feeling between the two clutch positions. Hope this helps,

Rob

JimReichard · Jan 25, 2001

Re: Yanmar 790

The John Deere 790 with 4 wheel drive does have a live PTO . And power steering . I bought mine back in december and really LOVE it. I'm not new to tractors , I've used a tractor to farm 120 acre farm for over 23 years . And then we sold the farm . We now have 4 acres in a large development , And my neighbors keep me and my tractors busy . (My other tractor is a John Deere 950 Also a YANMAR built unit, GREAT TRACTOR)

markcg2000 · Jan 25, 2001

Re: Yanmar 790

Darins,
One thing to keep in mind about the 790 is that it is the economy model. JD has priced this no-frills tractor to compete in the market on price. That means that the margin is a lot lower on this unit than on any of the 4x00 machines. Maybe that is why the dealer wants to push those /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif.
When I went into my dealer (Ontrac, Henrietta, NY) and explained that I wanted a basic machine that could do a number of things, he walked right out to the 790. Said the other ones were really nice, but if price is the defining factor, get a 790.

That attitude of his was the reason I bought the 790. I don't have anything like the skills to repair one of these, so I knew that a good feeling about my dealer was worth an awful lot to me. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

<font color=green>mark</font color=green>

Anonymous Poster · Jan 27, 2001

I JUST WANT AND LOOKED AT A B7100. IT HAS 500HRS. ON IT IT IS ALSO A HST. WITH A LOADER.$8500.00 IT WAS REAL CLEAN TOO. BUT MY ? IS WILL IT HAVE ENOUGH POWER TO RUN A TILLER OR A 4FT. BOX SCAPER? IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS THAT HAVE ONE THANKS. PS.. HOW IS THE PRICE?

Thomas · Jan 27, 2001

DARINS,
The B7100HST has enough HP to run a tiller & bush hog & pull 4'box scraper & 5" rake for there a little mule indeed,just its going to take a little longer at the task.
Did you notice that the B7100HST doesn't have power steering.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Anonymous Poster · Jan 27, 2001

THANKS THOMAS I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT THEM. BUT YES THEY DO NOT HAVE PW.ST. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE BUT I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS TOO HART TO STEER. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Thomas · Jan 27, 2001

DARINS,
What year was the B7100HST and was that a Kubota FEL.
500 hours isn't much if the tractor was taken care of for $8,500.oo.

Second hand Kubota w/FEL in good shape plus seems to bring a good price lately.

The owner is asking a fair price,and if you really like the tractor make an offer $7,950.oo and work from there.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif