Comparison Yanmar lawsuit.

[clemsonfor]

i think LMTC use to always advertise a digital parts book not sure though? u can still get one on ebay im sure, i see them referred to time n again? i dont think its a conspricy though. like winston said i dont think i can call ford up to get a service manual for my 1990 ranger either. so many of its parts are discontinued by ford its not funny. the only place to get hard brake line moulded in its shape i think is LMC truck?

 

[phatgemi]

As with most equipment, the manufacturers quit making them after a period of time. These old Yanmars are 30+ years old including the US sold ones.

So are you saying there is NO where that I can buy a genuine yanmar air and oil filter for a 240?

 

[winston1]

No, I am not saying that. I'm saying I doubt your can buy genuine transmission gears, engine blocks, etc. I would sort of doubt Yanmar ever made the original filters anyway. That is just an opinion, not a fact.

 

[clemsonfor]

Just to bust the conspricy theory about "all the yanmar parts manuals dissappearing" there is a 240 parts book on ebay as of last night. i almost bout it but did not want it that bad at the time.

 

[phatgemi]

No, I am not saying that. I'm saying I doubt your can buy genuine transmission gears, engine blocks, etc. I would sort of doubt Yanmar ever made the original filters anyway. That is just an opinion, not a fact.

That's my point. Yanmar DID sell oil and airfilters with yanmar labeling. The original yanmar air filter is a different physical size than any you can by now. Will they work? Yes but not OEM. Just a couple years ago, there were at least three dealers I am aware of that could order OEM yanmar parts out of a distribution center in Chicago. Things have changed and not for the better!

 

[Soundguy]

have they even discontinued support for domestic 3 digit models?

 

[clemsonfor]

Id have to disagree? have u bought the aftermarket filter hoye sells? i have. its a custom , i guess china made filter they sell. It designed for the 240/2000 it has a foam ring to help seal in case your rubber in the cover is gone or dried out etc. anyway, i have an OE filter that came on tractor. it has the yanmar symnbol on it. other than the foam its exactly the same size as original, and the foam makes it better in my opinion.

 

[phatgemi]

Id have to disagree? have u bought the aftermarket filter hoye sells? i have. its a custom , i guess china made filter they sell. It designed for the 240/2000 it has a foam ring to help seal in case your rubber in the cover is gone or dried out etc. anyway, i have an OE filter that came on tractor. it has the yanmar symnbol on it. other than the foam its exactly the same size as original, and the foam makes it better in my opinion.

Not to keep beating a quickly dying dead horse, but you are still missing the point I am trying to make. Maybe Hoye does have a generic Chinese filter that now is the same size. I have not purchased one. The replacements people were using were all a bit short. I won't argue that Hoye provides a fantastic service to the yanmar community. I have used them on several occasions. I know that I can buy "Chinese/Indian Generic" replacements. My question remains and is concidental with Soundguys: Can you still buy OEM yanmar parts for the domestic 3 number tractors????????

Any at all????? I think Yanmar shut them down......

 

[clemsonfor]

Not sure on that question, but i dont try. There is no way that a yanmar dealer part would be any cheaper to me than what hoye sells. Price point to me wins out most of the time.

And those replacements your talking about is just some filter that was close that "fit" and was spread across the internet as a replacement and the wix or napa number has been posted many times. But like you say its smaller and thus allows dust to pass directly over the filter in the housing as it does not fit snugly against the top cover plate. BUT to fix this just buy HOYES replacement (i know this is not your point) and run it, the dimentions are identical.

Also on the oil filter thing the point was that the oil filter may have come in a yanmar box and had a yanmar number on them but were most likely made on the assembly line of a country like china or japan but on the same one with the toyota, honda, wix, Purorlator, whatever filters. It wasent like there was a yanmar plant making parts.

 

[kenmac]

Yes,you can still get OE parts from a yanmar Dealer. I know a dealer that can still get OE parts if that part is still available . Some parts are & some aren't. Some parts you can get from JD

 

[Car Doc]

I cant think of any company that makes parts for its old models unless they happen to fit newer models still in production. It doesn't make any financial sense to do that especially in light of Yanmars strange market view.

So if parts just happen to overlap a decade or 3 that would be a pure coincidence and something that imho could not be cataloged with any accuracy at all to be perfectly logical about the OE parts question. That's not even considering parts numbers superseding etc . my .002

 

[aczlan]

I cant think of any company that makes parts for its old models unless they happen to fit newer models still in production. It doesn't make any financial sense to do that especially in light of Yanmars strange market view.
So if parts just happen to overlap a decade or 3 that would be a pure coincidence and something that imho could not be cataloged with any accuracy at all to be perfectly logical about the OE parts question. That's not even considering parts numbers superseding etc . my .002

Deere has quite the selection of parts for their old iron, but I dont know how much is NOS and how much is new production.
If there is enough demand for it, most any company will still make the parts, but I dont know that yanmar had enough sales over here to make it worth their while to provide parts for older machines.

Aaron Z

 

[rScotty]

I cant think of any company that makes parts for its old models unless they happen to fit newer models still in production. It doesn't make any financial sense to do that especially in light of Yanmars strange market view.

So if parts just happen to overlap a decade or 3 that would be a pure coincidence and something that imho could not be cataloged with any accuracy at all to be perfectly logical about the OE parts question. That's not even considering parts numbers superseding etc . my .002

It's a disappointment that John Deere doesn't immediately get mentioned as the exception. I've ordered parts from them for lots of their tractors and implements....including old horse-drawn plow parts. Our JD530 tractor is admittedly one of their later models.....it's a worker rather than a collector item....but I have had no trouble buying the few parts it has needed. Sometimes parts are in stock at the local dealer. If not there, the order goes to the factory warehouse or gets bounced to a dealer network.

JD deserves credit for making tractors that last a long time and then supporting them. And it's a philosophy that has made them very successful. I am kind hoping that Yanmar will do something similar. There's still time; they've already done the difficult part by making tractors that last a long time.
rScotty

 

[clemsonfor]

And you PAY for the JD parts. BUT at least you can still buy them!!! Its not worth anything to have a tractor that you cant get parts for.

 

[Soundguy]

thru after market, mostly, CNh does a good job keeping the older ford tractors fed. can still walk in and buy lots of parts for fords made as far back as 39...

 

[phatgemi]

True enough but at least the company is still around servicing new models. With Yanmar, it would appear that the few dealers who carried parts have disappeared. I hadn't really need anything for a couple years and didn't notice. I also realize that they won't have everypart necessary but there are enough common parts that probably carry over. I'm not a big fan of the casting quality of our indian and chinese counterparts.....I really don't think I would consider buying a yanmar in todays world.

 

[clemsonfor]

You have been running chineese and indian and tiwaneese parts on your vehicles for years. Many parts that i buy now a days are chineese.

 

[Car Doc]

Hey guys dont get all cloudy over the fact JD and Ford didn't get mentioned true they support old machines that is not comparing apples to apples and you all know it! :laughing:

We were discussing OE parts availability (or lack of) of Yanmar's gray and US spec. Who we all know hasn't been in the tractor business forever like the rest and has been stumbling here lately in pretty spectacular ways.

That and only recently decided they need to or had to reinvent themselves in the US market. So at this point they are not even a dimple of the impact any one of the big 3 are or ever have been imho. :thumbsup: my .002

 

[California]

Plus - Yanmar Japan is a private company owned by an individual. Whatever he wants is how it will be done, and he can ignore the Deere/Ford business model if he chooses to. He likes to build top quality, which works to our advantage. However Yanmar marketing is more in the Japanese style where Construction, Marine, Farm, and probably some other branches have geographic territories and can't sell across market segment or geographic region boundaries. Good luck trying to order injectors for example from a Yanmar Marine dealer over on the far side of the US. Even though it is the same identical part as a farm tractor injector.

This model is intended to keep the dealers strong because they don't have to compete with one another. It is apparently just how things are done in Japan. But its not what the American customer expects. I think Fredricks and Hoye are guaranteed a role in the Yanmar parts market forever so long as they can provide NAPA-quality replica parts.

 

[farmfun]

"This model is intended to keep the dealers strong because they don't have to compete with one another." Deere uses this model (as best as it can) here in the states as well.

I've found it frustrating at times, because the support side in parts gets short changed. But when you make it costly enough, solutions always present themselves.