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   / Would you donate? #41  
Hard call for sure if options are few.

In the California Delta flood plain new construction is built on stilts for lack of a better term…

If flooding occurs the homes will be like islands only accessible by boat but should remain secure…
 
   / Would you donate? #42  
No mention of insurance or not. If not, they hedged their bets and lost.. If they couldn't afford flood insurance, they should have sold out and built out of a flood plane . Churches are tax exempt. They should have placed that money in an account for a rainy day..
I see people all the time setting up a Gofundme account because what ever reason, they didn't buy home owners insurance and a fire burned down their house.
I never contribute, because I consider myself responsible and purchase insurance on everything I own. Over the years, I didn't buy things I wanted because Insurance was more important than those wants. Many people don't think that way today !

As far as you donating, that's a personal decision you have to make .
 
   / Would you donate? #43  
This is not so much pertaining to the church property as generally pertaining to the entire mountain area. In many places, roads were built at the bases of mountains on the "flat" terrain adjacent to a river or stream because that was the most feasible place to build roads through the mountains. This section of I40 in NC collapsed into the river. You can see the kind of terrain they are dealing with. https://x.com/ncdot_i40?mx=2
 
   / Would you donate? #44  
I believe that calling something a 25 year, century, 500 year, or millennium flood is a poor use of statistics.

If one collects a series of water levels over time, one can get the average water level, and then calculate the standard deviation, and come up with how far any particular flood is from the norm. And thus calculate the frequency of occurrence.

Yet, that ignores the underlying cause of the flood. Not all rain events are the same.

If you once in a while get hit by a Hurricane, then you have to look at the probability of getting hit by a hurricane, rather than the average water level. And not all hurricanes are the same.

Our big local flood was the 1964 Christmas Flood. We have had a few floods, but nothing in my lifetime like that one. So, we're 60 years on, not bad.


Looking at the cause of the flood, it wasn't that we just had a big rain. Yes, there was that. But, there were 3 primary contributing factors.

1) Hard Early Freeze creating impermeable ground.
2) Heavy Snow storm.
3) Heavy Warm Rain (atmospheric river). Perhaps a "Pineapple Express" storm. That melted the snow which washed off rather than soaking in.

We've also had flood control dams that were built around the 1950's and 1960's, and it is possible the risk is somewhat reduced today, although I wonder if the dam system would be overwhelmed by that flood. Of course there is also an effort to remove the dams that were protecting us.
Any of those events happen from time to time. The problem was the 3 of them occurring together causing catastrophic widespread flooding.

So, to calculate the frequency of a flood like the Christmas flood, one has to not look at the standard deviation of the water levels, but to look at the contributing factors and determine how frequent they occur together. It is also possible that the three events weren't independent, but were part of a single storm.

I am a slightly lower elevation than when I was a kid, but I just don't think we've had hard freezes like when I was younger.

Here on the West Coast we also have typhoons or hurricanes. Most don't make landfall in Oregon, but we've had a few blowing by close. Then there was the California hurricane a couple of years ago.


We could get directly hit by a hurricane or typhoon that could cause huge floods that would be far outside of any predicted range.

Anyway, one has to pay attention to the cause of the flood and risk factors, not just high water.
And then add in common core math, and those statistics go out the window!
David from jax
 
   / Would you donate? #45  
Do you have a before photo of the church? My guess is they knew the rocky beach was there, but that it was covered with a few inches of dirt making it look like a picturesque lawn.
Not much in the way of rock along those beaches, just sand and tourists.
I tried to heist a picture from the net but Google didn't play nice. When I did get one, it was too large to post here. Blue Creek Baptist Church on Beach Road still has pictures of the building up.
I think the water went 5 ft up the walls, and the building is about 3 or 4 steps above the yard, which appears to have been raised prior to the building being built.
David from jax
 
   / Would you donate? #46  
No mention of insurance or not. If not, they hedged their bets and lost.. If they couldn't afford flood insurance, they should have sold out and built out of a flood plane . Churches are tax exempt. They should have placed that money in an account for a rainy day..
I see people all the time setting up a Gofundme account because what ever reason, they didn't buy home owners insurance and a fire burned down their house.
I never contribute, because I consider myself responsible and purchase insurance on everything I own. Over the years, I didn't buy things I wanted because Insurance was more important than those wants. Many people don't think that way today !

As far as you donating, that's a personal decision you have to make .
I can’t imagine anyone donating unless they attend that church. Most people are going to donate to their own church.
 
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#47  
Interesting, I checked the go fund me page for the church.

Nothing mentioned about building in the same location...
 

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