Workshop Insullation Question

   / Workshop Insullation Question #1  

John861

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I've built a new garage/tractor workshop, 24x40 stick built. The structure is built on two exposed courses of cinder block (which are on a 48" poured concrete foundation). The sill plate of the walls leaves just a bit of the cinder block holes exposed.
So the question is, should I attempt to put some sort of insulation inside the cinder block holes? Great Stuff foam would seem ideal, although cost prohibitive. The shop will be heated so I'd like to minimize heat loss.

Any thoughts?

-John
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #2  
The top course of block should have been solid, so this would not happen.

I have had to "deal" with this in the past for customers. If you have the room to do so, try these:

Option #1- stuff the block with some newspaper so only about an inch or two of "hole" is left, and foam.

Option #2- Stuff the block as above, and top with mortar.

Option #3- Go to a sheet metal shop, and have them shear some galvanized sheet metal. Slip under the wall, and use construction adhesive to glue it down to the block. You can have them bend like a 1/2" lip on the inside edge, for a more finished look.

All work well.
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #3  
You can pour the voids in the CMU's with Perlite and then grout the top solid. You could even use styrofoam peanuts and grout the top. Short of doing that, like has been mentioned just wad up newspaper and grout the top. Perlite will give you the best R-value in CMU's.
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #4  
If you fill the cores by pouring in expanded perlite, you will increase the R-value from about R-1.6 to R-5.9 (assuming 8" 2-core medium-weight blocks). That R-value is for the whole wall, not just the perlite (so it includes the loss from the webbing in the blocks).

Call your local masonry supply companies to get availability/price on perlite insulation. It's sometimes sold in 4 cubic foot bags.

Below I've tried to estimate how much perlite you'd need so you can figure your cost. Skip to the examples at the bottom for the short answer.

The general formula for 8" 2-core blocks is
volume_in_cubic_feet = perimeter_in_feet x wall_height_in_feet x 0.26

Don't forget to subtract the width of doors from your perimeter.

The perimeter of your 24' x 40' building is
24+40+24+40-(door_widths)
or
128' - (door widths).

Your 16" high walls are 1.33' tall.

The surface area of your wall in square feet is
1.33' x (128' - door_widths_in_feet)

The volume in cubic feet of the cores of your 8" 2-core blocks is approximately
wall_surface_area x 0.26
or
1.33' x (128' - door_widths_in_feet) x 0.26

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As an example, if you have a 12' garage door and a 3' wide walk-in
door, and the perimeter of your building is 128', then the volume of
the cores for your blocks is

1.33' x (128' - 15') x 0.26 = 39 cubic feet of perlite = 10 four-cu-ft bags.

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As another example, if you have two 12' garage doors and a 3' wide walk-in
door, and the perimeter of your building is 128', then the volume of
the cores for your blocks is

1.33' x (128' - 27') x 0.26 = 35 cubic feet of perlite = 9 four-cu-ft bags.
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #5  
Goofy question. If the blocks are hollow, how did you attach the sill plate to the block ?
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #6  
Willl has a good point.

Perhaps they only filled the occasional core where they put in sill bolts/sill straps?
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question
  • Thread Starter
#7  
Great info. I'll look around for some perlite.

Oh, and the some of the holes are filled with concrete to hold straps for the sill plate.

Thanks guys!
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #8  
John861 said:
some perlite.
Another place to find perlite would be in the 'gardening' section. Right next to the potting soil.
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #9  
I looked everywhere for perlite/vermiculite. I missed the obvious place...my local concrete block supplier. I bought it in burlap type 4cu ft bags for $9.95 a bag. It pours VERY easily even with a small exposed hole. It may be worth your while to make some sort of "funnel" specific for you space since the stuff pours out very easily and you could easily spill half of it on the floor. It also settles very little.

I agree that I would get the perlite then either foam the fill space or preferrably mortor it so it lasts and is a neat job.

Good luck.

Peter
 
   / Workshop Insullation Question #10  
Ok, well I guess the question now is do you want too insulate it, or Just seal the
holes?
I don't think I would spend a lot of money insulating it, if it is not living space.
 

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