Will a 45 Cal. stop a wild hog?

[Garandman]

Pistol Caliber War - It's Over! - YouTube

We had a book from the Army Medical Corps about wounds from WWII.

Anyone who saw the damage created by 9mmP never doubted the lethality of that round, and they were all FMJ bullets.

 

[dmccarty]

We had a book from the Army Medical Corps about wounds from WWII.

Anyone who saw the damage created by 9mmP never doubted the lethality of that round, and they were all FMJ bullets.

I don't think deadliness of the round was ever in question. It was a question of stopping power. The 45 ACP came about because the .38 was not stopping Moro warriors in the PI. There was a Doctor involved with the cartridge testing back then who wrote a book, LaGarde was his name I believe, and I somehow manage to get a copy years ago.

The Moros are still causing trouble today with kidnappings in the southern PI. The Spanish had mucho problems with the Moros and the Spanish only had control of fortified towns, mostly ports, in the southern islands. Stepping outside the walls was not a safe thing to do for the Spanish. When the US took over the PI, we ended up fighting a war with the Moros which was unpopular in the US but we did win and shutdown the Moro terror, raids, and piracy. The Moros were very brave and it took quite a bit to stop them. They would attack with a bolo and decapitate people and the existing rounds were not stopping the up close attacks.

Later,
Dan

 

[Soundguy]

location, location, location.. local slaughterplace in the boonies here still kills them with a 22cal zip gun.

Carry the carry weapon you are used to carrying.. if it's your 9mm, go for it... just make your shots count.

 

[roadhunter]

There is nothing as fierce as a sow GRIZ separated from her CUBS. I suspect many of the so called attacks are sows rushing to their babies. That would still scare the heck out of anybody.

FIFY.

Seems like claiming sow pigs are as dangerous as real predators like bears, lions, and wolves might be an exaggeration.

I saw some videos showing these "attacks". I'll let you guys draw your own conclusions.

 

[TripleR]

The following is pretty interesting and give an explanation of the difference between a regular Moro warrior and Juramentado and explains the 1011 was not used but rather the .45 revolver.

Juramentados and the development of the Colt .45 caliber Model 1911 - The Manila Times Online

 

[Gary Fowler]

.45 ACP FMJ is 230gr @ 845 fps for around 365 ft lbs of energy. There are some hotter loads: I think the Buffalo Bore above specializes in high-energy loads.

There are 10mm ACP loads with 180-230gr bullets and muzzle velocities as high as 1,400fps. Most have 6-700 ft lbs of energy.

Got real sick of carrying an M1911A1 24/7 in the Army and the 1009 is substantially larger. But it beats rocks.

Next to the 10mm (675 ft lbs) is the .357 Sig at 475 ft lbs. It even tops the .357 Rem. mag in energy AND most pistols can carry 13 or more rounds compared to 6 for the revolver. 10mm will no doubt do the job, but it has a substantial kick to it and the pistols are much heavier. I have a Glock 33 in .357 Sig and it is awesome to shoot and very light weight. It is my go to for CC.

 

[k0ua]

The following is pretty interesting and give an explanation of the difference between a regular Moro warrior and Juramentado and explains the 1011 was not used but rather the .45 revolver.

Juramentados and the development of the Colt .45 caliber Model 1911 - The Manila Times Online

That was interesting.

 

[dmccarty]

.45 ACP FMJ is 230gr @ 845 fps for around 365 ft lbs of energy. There are some hotter loads: I think the Buffalo Bore above specializes in high-energy loads.

There are 10mm ACP loads with 180-230gr bullets and muzzle velocities as high as 1,400fps. Most have 6-700 ft lbs of energy.
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I don't have a problem shooting +P .45 loads but the recoil on full power 10mm loads is a different situation. :shocked::laughing::laughing::laughing:

Tis a shame that the 10mm cartridge is not more popular since it can be loaded for less power, ie, a 40mm, or to the full power hand cannon zone if needed/wanted.

Later,
Dan

 

[k0ua]

I don't have a problem shooting +P .45 loads but the recoil on full power 10mm loads is a different situation. :shocked::laughing::laughing::laughing:

Tis a shame that the 10mm cartridge is not more popular since it can be loaded for less power, ie, a 40mm, or to the full power hand cannon zone if needed/wanted.

Later,
Dan

Those full house loads in those lighter auto pistols get a bit "snappy". :shocked:

 

[Gary Fowler]

I don't think deadliness of the round was ever in question. It was a question of stopping power. The 45 ACP came about because the .38 was not stopping Moro warriors in the PI. There was a Doctor involved with the cartridge testing back then who wrote a book, LaGarde was his name I believe, and I somehow manage to get a copy years ago.

The Moros are still causing trouble today with kidnappings in the southern PI. The Spanish had mucho problems with the Moros and the Spanish only had control of fortified towns, mostly ports, in the southern islands. Stepping outside the walls was not a safe thing to do for the Spanish. When the US took over the PI, we ended up fighting a war with the Moros which was unpopular in the US but we did win and shutdown the Moro terror, raids, and piracy. The Moros were very brave and it took quite a bit to stop them. They would attack with a bolo and decapitate people and the existing rounds were not stopping the up close attacks.

Later,
Dan

That was back when bullets were just round nose solid lead bullets and heavier was better. A modern 9mm will outperform those old .45s in ballistic damage hands down. .45cal is just too slow in most cases to get deep penetration although the newer bullets do improve the performance and penetration much more they are still too slow in most instances to get proper expansion AND penetration.