Why no Ecoboost in the F250?

[MHarryE]

I have a 3.5 EcoBoost F-150 that gets 22 mpg on trips rural roads, 19 mpg Freeway at 75-80. I have a 6.0 PowerStroke F-250 that gets 14 rural roads, 12 Freeway. EcoBoost will pull much better than the diesel, but it seems to be a lot in the transmission. The EcoBoost will pull my tilt bed equipment trailer much more efficiently EMPTY - but put 3 ton on the trailer and the diesel will do better on fuel economy and has a better feel. Pit them against each other with the 3 ton load on the trailer and have a drag race - the EcoBoost will win hands down but my diesel has 210,000 miles while the EcoBoost is just broke in at 70,000. By the way, changing tire brand and style on the F-150 when the originals needed replacing slowed acceleration and cut fuel economy significantly, but will pull a 15,000# gravity box out of a grain field. The Michelin road tires on the F-250 are a farce when it comes to traction - I needed 4WD just to get my empty equipment trailer going, slight upgrade, wet grass. I assume its tires are made for mileage, not tractive effort.

 

[Hermio]

I am surprised at the low MPG figures listed here. I have a 2013 F350 with the 6.7l diesel, long bed, crew cab, with all-terrain tires (not mudders). Cruising at 55 on a level highway I get 23 mpg. I average 16 mpg overall; mostly rural roads. When pulling an 1100 lb 5th wheel camper, I get about 11.

 

[5030]

Besides, their peak power is generated by, wait for it, Fossil Fuels!

I always find in somewhat arcane that the greenies and their toasters conveniently forget that aspect. Probably because it don't marry well with their 'green' idea.

Terrible thing for me to say but, I'd really like to see Kalifornia's grid fail.

 

[Hay Dude]

Well those 6L’s were never nothing to brag about.

Ever notice how the gas crowd is always comparing a new gasser to an older model diesel?

Diesels have improved in technology, too
We’ve got 3 you can get in a pickup at 400HP and ~900 TQ now, so lets compare them as they exist now, or back then. Not now against back then.

 

[Snobdds]

Long live Rudolph Diesel & Clessie Cummins.

Checks out...

 

[crashz]

Ever notice how the gas crowd is always comparing a new gasser to an older model diesel?

Diesels have improved in technology, too
We’ve got 3 you can get in a pickup at 400HP and ~900 TQ now, so lets compare them as they exist now, or back then. Not now against back then.

Problem is that most of us can only afford the old stuff! I've compared my very old (03) 7.3PS to my less old (2012) 6.0L gas truck in towing. Both tow pretty good, but I'd say they are on the same playing field. But the diesel stays in double digit fuel economy even when towing and my 2500 couldn't get past 6 mpgs with the same load.

Just sold the 2012. Need to get the truck in my avatar back together. I miss my old square bodies.

 

[Farmer495]

If you are towing 15-20+K in a 150, you are not only wrong, but extremely dangerous (not to mention illegal). The 150 is rated for a max towing of 5-11K depending how its equipped, the 250SD is rated up to ~24K. Compare apples with apples.

Not wrong or illegal about anything. I compared my Ecoboost to my Diesel F250. I did not compare a 2022 F150 to a 2022 F250.

Facts:

2000 F250 Super Duty 7.3L V8 Powerstroke Turbo Diesel 6-speed Manual 3.73 axle. 235HP/500ftlb

Factory bumper pull rating with WD hitch: 10,000lbs


2011 F150 3.5L V6 Twin Turbo Gasoline 6-speed Automatic 3.73 axle w/max tow package. 365HP/420ftlb

Factory bumper pull rating with WD hitch: 11,200lbs.


I am pulling well within the tow ratings of each truck.

 

[Farmer495]

Ever notice how the gas crowd is always comparing a new gasser to an older model diesel?

Diesels have improved in technology, too
We’ve got 3 you can get in a pickup at 400HP and ~900 TQ now, so lets compare them as they exist now, or back then. Not now against back then.

Mainly because it's a closer comparison.

A new diesel 3/4 ton is easily twice the truck towing compared to an old 3/4 ton diesel.

A new gas 1/2 ton is twice what an old gas 1/2 ton was.

New gas 1/2 ton on par with old diesel 3/4 ton capability wise.

New diesel pickup pulls what used to require a semi.....

 

[Hay Dude]

Mainly because it's a closer comparison.

A new diesel 3/4 ton is easily twice the truck towing compared to an old 3/4 ton diesel.

A new gas 1/2 ton is twice what an old gas 1/2 ton was.

New gas 1/2 ton on par with old diesel 3/4 ton capability wise.

New diesel pickup pulls what used to require a semi.....

Agree with pretty much all you say, but you still may be a little bit off on the bold part

A new gas 1/2 ton with optional most powerful gas engine and other HD options, might be on par power wise, with an old diesel 3/4 ton, but it won’t last as long towing & hauling day in/out. The longevity isn’t there.
Also the older 3/4 ton will probably have a GCWR of 20-22,000lbs (for example my 07 GMC Duramax was 22,500lbs) so I don’t think a new 1/2 ton, even with optional most powerful gas engine and HD options would be legally at the same specs as a 15 year old 3/4 ton diesel, either.

Diesel trucks are intended for towing heavy. No gas truck has been able to replace that. Newer gas trucks have come a long way, but so have newer diesel trucks.
My Ram 5500 has a GCWR of 43,000lbs. No gas truck is even close to that.

 

[Hay Dude]

Not wrong or illegal about anything. I compared my Ecoboost to my Diesel F250. I did not compare a 2022 F150 to a 2022 F250.

Facts:

2000 F250 Super Duty 7.3L V8 Powerstroke Turbo Diesel 6-speed Manual 3.73 axle. 235HP/500ftlb

Factory bumper pull rating with WD hitch: 10,000lbs


2011 F150 3.5L V6 Twin Turbo Gasoline 6-speed Automatic 3.73 axle w/max tow package. 365HP/420ftlb

Factory bumper pull rating with WD hitch: 11,200lbs.


I am pulling well within the tow ratings of each truck.

How about the GN ratings
What are the GCWR’s? What are the axle ratings?

Sometimes automatics have higher tow ratings than manuals. A 2000 F-250 is a 23 year old truck! For all we know, your 250 may not have optional tow packages and your F-150 might have them.
I’d bet you your 250 will last a lot longer if you tow heavy with both long term.