Why no Ecoboost in the F250?

[Renze]

GM 5.7L and 6.2L were boat anchors. 6.5 L not much better.

Those are from the previous century... most trucks with those engines in them are rusted out anyways by now..

 

[Renze]

I have a friend that has a '95 Dodge 3500 dually with the 6BT. He ran it over a million miles before he had to pull the head because of a water leak. He went ahead and put a new head on it, although the mechanic said it looked fine, no cracks and valve guides were still within spec. He changes the oil and filter religiously at 5K miles and rarely drives it over 60mph.

6BT heads did crack though, at high hours. Cracks are often hard to detect and only leak water under the valve covers every now and then. The 24 valve head was better equipped to handle the thermal load of high horsepower, and the 6.7 block was beefed up substantially, too...

For an industrial diesel, pickup truck life is still concidered light duty use, but in industrial continuous duty the 5.9 did have its limits. However, 160hp in the 1989 Ram was just a walk in the park...

 

[Renze]

Chevy and the disatermax ,fuel system problems , burning head gaskets and cooking turbos.

And it's a joy to work on like a ford.

Another poor design v8 diesel

The Ford/,Peugeot diesels are pricey to maintain too, due to stupid engineering. If you leave the wire mesh in the turbo oil line, at one point its gonna starve the turbo because the passage will clog up at one point in its life. Replacing glow plugs means you have to drill them out because they rot solid. And the DPF is underdesigned and therefor best poked a hole in to save the turbo from blowing seals due to backpressure.

I wouldnt say this is a Diesel related problem, but rather a Ford related problem. The bean counters just have too much to say. They are good to their first owners, a well equipped car for a slightly better price than the Germans, Swedes and Japs, but the 2nd owner (Or his son who replaces the parts) gets to know why...

 

[BravoXray]

6BT heads did crack though, at high hours. Cracks are often hard to detect and only leak water under the valve covers every now and then. The 24 valve head was better equipped to handle the thermal load of high horsepower, and the 6.7 block was beefed up substantially, too...

For an industrial diesel, pickup truck life is still concidered light duty use, but in industrial continuous duty the 5.9 did have its limits. However, 160hp in the 1989 Ram was just a walk in the park...

Somewhere on this site I also told of another friend with a Dodge 2500 with the 6BT that blew ahead gasket last year, with only 130K on it. My other friend with the 3500 bought it for $1K from him and later sold it for $5K as is.

 

[deerefan]

Exactly. You cant do anything in those trucks without pulling the cab. And by design they require a lot of work to keep on the road

In my younger years, I worked as a mechanic on diesel power packs for vibratory sheet pile drivers. We had a mix in our fleet-Detroit, Deere, Cummins and Yanmar. In the 5 years I did this, we only had one catastrophic failure on a Cummins. I also owned an older Case bulldozer with a naturally aspirated 5.9 Cummins-good power and fuel efficient (Case 850D). When our needs on the farm and needs of my side business required a diesel to tow heavier equipment, we bought a 2018 Ram with a Cummins. Very powerful, easy to work on. Sold it for more than we paid for it when our needs no longer required a diesel. Was not going to buy a truck where pulling the cab was a requirement for repairs. Just seemed to be a disaster in the making to me.

 

[deezler]

Speaking of diesels.... I just spent my last few days at work with the next generation of GM's 3.0L i-6 "duramax". It's a little powerhouse. Coupled with the 10-speed trans exclusively now, it's a 300HP, 500 lbf-ft, fast accelerating, 13,000lbs towing beast that also gets 30mpg combined. Is it the.... perfect light duty truck motor? I kinda want one.

 

[blee03]

Speaking of diesels.... I just spent my last few days at work with the next generation of GM's 3.0L i-6 "duramax". It's a little powerhouse. Coupled with the 10-speed trans exclusively now, it's a 300HP, 500 lbf-ft, fast accelerating, 13,000lbs towing beast that also gets 30mpg combined. Is it the.... perfect light duty truck motor? I kinda want one.

That setup sounds promising as long as they can match it with a reliable emission system

 

[Renze]

Speaking of diesels.... I just spent my last few days at work with the next generation of GM's 3.0L i-6 "duramax". It's a little powerhouse. Coupled with the 10-speed trans exclusively now, it's a 300HP, 500 lbf-ft, fast accelerating, 13,000lbs towing beast that also gets 30mpg combined. Is it the.... perfect light duty truck motor? I kinda want one.

Plenty of power for a 13k tow rating, and probably enough for the duty cycle of a half ton. Just, when i hear the hesitance towards Diesel in the US from you guys, if i was a GM product planner i would probably go for a 4 liter inline 6 for the 3/4 ton, 20k tow rating market instead of a half ton competitor to the EB... Or maybe they dont want a cheaper alternative to the Duramax they sell at a premium ?

 

[ning]

GM 5.7L and 6.2L were boat anchors. 6.5 L not much better.

No doubt the 5.7 was *****.

Was the 6.2L actually unreliable? I know it was slow as a dog, but it had a good rep as a solid engine from what I remember.

6.5 threw that away, of course.

 

[charles todd]

One of the main reasons we just bought a Chevy 2500 6.0 for our towing needs. Very simple engine, easy to work on and maintain. View attachment 763829

Sharp truck! Mine is black also.

I am still driving a 2013 GMC DenaliHD 6.0L Z71. Just turned 150k miles, mostly trouble free. Replaced radiator recently and still on the OEM brake pads.

No desire to own an emissions era diesel. 360hp/380tq is adequate for anything I hook up to.

CT