Why is Hydraulic Tilt Useful?

[patrickg]

ernieb, The Crystal City that came to my mind couldn't put up the most logical symbol to represent them. The Crystal City I thought of is very near Wash DC and is populated by a lot of @ssholes.

Patrick

 

[radman]

Glenmac:
My gannon tilt will tip the 3pt in either direction. With the cylinder half extended, the lift arms are about even. You can tell if the implement is level without getting off the tractor. Simply lower the implement (ie boxblade) to near the ground. Adjust tilt to where the blade is parallel to the ground and go about your business. The lift arms are now even.
You also mentioned, the ability to lift your 3pt up high is compromised? I am not sure what you mean. With the tilt installed the lift arms go just as high as when I didn't have tilt capability. I will admit the numer one advantage for tilt is when using a blade/boxblade. Occassionally useful to attach 3pt equipment on unlevel ground and implement is not parallel to lift arms. Tilt allows quick adjustment for hook-up. At times when I need another hydraulic outlet, I will often just unhook the tilt hoses.

 

[glennmac]

Radman, on the compromised 3ph lifting height I was paraphrasing what Bird said about his tilt cylinder. When it was centered, he couldnt lift as high. So he sets the cylinder in the closed position for the hitch to be level--as I understand it. Then, Hayden said that Bird's problem was the result ("artifact") of the kind of cylinder Bird used--too short, I guess. So, I am glad to here that you can get tilt both ways on your 3710 setup. Hitching implements on uneven ground is something no one else has mentioned. That could be very helpful with my Freedom Hitches, too.

 

[Bird]

As far as lifting height is concerned, it's not a big deal; just that you can lift an implement just a little higher if the cylinder is retracted. Just imagine lifting your implement all the way, then try extending that tilt cylinder. That lowers the implement a bit on that side. If you then adjust the other manual link the same amount, you will level the implement (lower that side just a bit).

Bird

 

[ejb]

Re: Top now, Tilt later?

>>Geez! I used to think about girls....

But since you are older and married now, you'll be much better off in the long run if you think about your tractor more and girls less...

 

[RobertN]

Glennmac,
I use TnT all the time since I got mine finished. It is hilly around here, so I am always trying to make a cut where it is easier when the scraper is tipped in comparison to the tractor.

I need a tilt gauge. Before I go out, I do a quick check on my flat driveway. It is easy to check if the implment is level in the field too. When my side link is centered, it is level. I have 4" of side link travel; when 2" of cylinder is exposed, it's pretty darn close to level. It is easy to see from the drivers seat.

The New Holland, I think a TC19, that I saw with two side links. It used one lever, and had the hoses set so it pushed one side down, the other side up, and vica versa.

RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif

 

[RobertN]

I made my fixed side link the same as the hydraulic, when centered. It made the fixed link 1" longer. I have not had an issue where this 1" made a difference. Besides, at least on my B8200, there are various mounting holes on the lower 3pt rails that allow offsets.

RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif

 

[hayden]

I finally got to use my TnT with my grader blade to do a bunch of backfilling and grading and I vote a big YES for the Tilt part of the setup. It made a huge difference is grading out the rough ground I was on. Without it the blade would never have been at the correct angle given the ground and where the tractor was at any time. If you have fundamentally even ground, then I can see it being less important, but for me it was a life saver.

I'm even going to go ahead and replace the fixed link with the adjustable link so I can set it to the midway point of the tilt cylinder stroke to give equal tilt in each direction. Bird's setup where the fixed link is the same length as the cylinder when retracted does make for easy leveling if you are OK with tilt in one direction. For my use I really need both so I'll give the other approach a try to see how it goes.

 

[JRP]

Question: Do bota's smaller than M come with one hydraulic remote valve?

Also, lots of talk about the fixed link. Why would you even consider replacing the adjustable link with the hydraulic tilt? It seems to me that replacing the fixed link would leave the adjustable link available for even more adjustment, although the extra range is manual.

 

[hayden]

The Grand L's are available with 1 to 3 remote valves as options.

On the fixed link, you are correct for all the reasons stated. Birds point is that if the non-hydraulic link (doesn't really matter if it's fixed on manual) is the same length as the hydraulic link when fully retracted, then it's real easy to find the level point for the implement - just retract the hydraulic link.

The only reason I still have my fixed link on is because I've been too lazy to switch over to the adjustable link. When not being able to tilt both ways becomes a problem, I'll switch them.

High techie, reciently founded a startup company and struggling for tractor time.

 

[bgott]

I was screwing around with my tractor the other day and thought about this thread. I have found that the simplest way to do something is usually the best way. About the easiest way to level the box blade with the tractor seems to me to just count the bars on the tires on each side. You're in the ditch at an angle, want the blade at the same angle, raise it up a ways, 6 bars on the left, 6 on the right, you're level. It would be a pain with turf tires but what the hell, it's a start! If you're tires are too muddy to see the bars you'd probably be making too much of a mess to be grading anyway.
Another idea is to get some flexible plastic or something like that and mount a couple of "feelers" off of the fenders. You could mount them with the tractor level and even degree them before you start. PVC pipe is cheap!

 

[fractal]

Ten miles away? Try 50 miles away. You could smell the gilroy garlic festival in Mountain View if the wind was blowing up the valley. The garlic smell wasn't the reason I left. Land prices was.

Anyway, I had the mechanic I bought my b7200 add tilt and lift on the tractor before I bought it because of what I have read on various tractor boards. I bought the machine primarily to do grading due to the problems of finding people who want to do physical labor in my area (people who don't live in Santa Barbara can not imagine how hard it is to find someone to do something as simple as level a patch of ground). To be honest, given my level of skill with a box blade (novice/beginner/newbie/clueless at best), I never use the tilt. I played with it a few times and find that it works best for me all the way retracted. I tried playing with the tilt a few times when I was trying to cut a level path along a slanted side and had .. well, let's just say that having two of the four scarifiers extended was more useful than tilting the blade. Maybe (probably) it is my lack of knowlege/training/experience with the equipment, but so far I have not been impressed with the extra money I spent having tilt and lift installed. There may be places that having tilt and lift are essential, but leveling the ground to have good drainage so you can install your kids playset doesn't seem to be one of them.

 

[hill]

Re: Three valves?

You're covered - use a joystick to control two adjacent spools just like your loader (probably) does.

Fore and aft movement of the stick for top link cylinder, side to side movement for the tilting cylinder, perhaps.

There'd be some detail work to figure out, but I'm pretty sure that the Surplus Center has all the hardware you'd need.

Just think....your two fender holes could provide the place to add FOUR new functions.

 

[JerryG]

I don't know if you noticed it or not but this thread is from 2001.

 

[jinman]

I don't know if you noticed it or not but this thread is from 2001.

Procrastination?

 

[hill]

I don't know if you noticed it or not but this thread is from 2001.

I wanted to be sure of my facts, Jerry.





LOL! No, I didn't notice and I wasn't using search. Guess I DID wander a little far through the pages while reading thread titles.

apologies to all!