Who has a Concealed Carry?

[Waynebro]

You just never know what could happen.

Right.

One of the crosses we bear requiring a modicum of courage to live and participate in a modern peaceful society.

 

[Matt_Jr]

Or they might have taken it from her and shot you both in the head.

I find it ironic that you'd post a story where your mother was mugged and did not have a weapon and went unharmed.

It's common knowledge that many shootings occur with the victim's own firearm. Why you'd pick that story to defend your point I'm not sure, but I'm sure glad you did.

Possibly. You make a very good point. Things like that happen to people without training and rarely to those that are.

 

[MossRoad]

Would you like to confess to your TBN Bretheran?

Later,
Dan

Nope!
Let's just say my wife has done a world of good for me.

 

[Waynebro]

You are quoting history but ignoring the modern day. Taking guns away in our cities has been tried and has done nothing to deter gun violence.

And you are quoting from me and ignoring what I actually said.

I never suggested "taking guns away". We are and have been talking about "carry permits".

Not gun ownership.

Please try to stay on topic when rebuking me. I have enough trouble responding to all the actual rebukes. I don't need fake ones to muddy the waters.

 

[Matt_Jr]

Waynebro, the way your posts read you seem very well educated in history; specifically the wild west. May I ask your background in history? If so are you a proffesor, teacher, or a history buff?

 

[Waynebro]

Possibly. You make a very good point. Things like that happen to people without training and rarely to those that are.

Not possibly.

Probably.

The fact is only a small handful of people would ever complete or utilize the training you speak of. You are a martial artist. Then you are familiar with the actions of adrenaline even on trained persons when confronted with true fight or flight situations. Every day "trained drivers" have accidents. These people are able to pass exams, drivers tests, graduate from drivers schools, and yet when confronted with the unexpected, seldom perform as they were taught to do.

True "some people" will take advanced courses in defensive driving techniques, yet even these graduates don't always perform as expected.

As for your example, we can both just speculate as to what may or may not have happened had your mom had a pistol that day in her purse.

She may have pulled it and scared them off.

She may have pulled it and shot them.

She may have pulled it and accidently shot you.

They may have taken it from her and shot you both.

Or they may have taken her purse before she pulled it and shot some other poor unfortunate with it later that day.

We don't know, because she didn't have one.

But there is one thing we do not need to speculate on. One thing we can take away from that situation.

She didn't have a gun that day, and no one got hurt.

 

[Waynebro]

Waynebro, the way your posts read you seem very well educated in history; specifically the wild west. May I ask your background in history? If so are you a proffesor, teacher, or a history buff?

Lol, Thanks, but like someone told me in here in another thread I'm just getting old enough to realize how much I don't know.

But yes I am a history buff, and did study some back in the day. My focus tends to be on WWI, (specifically aviation) and WWII (all aspects) as well as early American history (Revolutionary period), Greco\Roman history (lifes and times of the Caesars) and Biblical History (particular emphasis on early Christianity, the Historical Jesus and the Supression of Heresy through the ages). Of course in studying history you tend to touch on so many aspects and periods. The Wild West was more of an indulgence than a studious venture for me. I enjoy shooting black powder, riding, love re-enactments, and enjoy fireside chats over the men and weapons that tamed the American west.

As one of my old (old old old)teachers used to tell me, "History's a wonderful thing only if we learn it and more importantly, learn from it."

 

[Matt_Jr]

Not possibly.

Probably.

The fact is only a small handful of people would ever complete or utilize the training you speak of. You are a martial artist. Then you are familiar with the actions of adrenaline even on trained persons when confronted with true fight or flight situations. Every day "trained drivers" have accidents. These people are able to pass exams, drivers tests, graduate from drivers schools, and yet when confronted with the unexpected, seldom perform as they were taught to do.

True "some people" will take advanced courses in defensive driving techniques, yet even these graduates don't always perform as expected.

As for your example, we can both just speculate as to what may or may not have happened had your mom had a pistol that day in her purse.

She may have pulled it and scared them off.

She may have pulled it and shot them.

She may have pulled it and accidently shot you.

They may have taken it from her and shot you both.

Or they may have taken her purse before she pulled it and shot some other poor unfortunate with it later that day.

We don't know, because she didn't have one.

But there is one thing we do not need to speculate on. One thing we can take away from that situation.

She didn't have a gun that day, and no one got hurt.

Sure. I won't argue with you there. No situation is perfect. I'll give you that. And yes. I've been walking for over 30 years and still trip sometimes. But having martial arts training and a weapon swings the odds a little. Another thing. Many people feel that people that carry a gun shoot first and ask questions later. Not saying that's you. Just in general. I'm all for avoiding conflict, walking the other way, and only using submission techniques or my weapon as a LAST line of defense. Just to be clear.

 

[Matt_Jr]

Lol, Thanks, but like someone told me in here in another thread I'm just getting old enough to realize how much I don't know.

But yes I am a history buff, and did study some back in the day. My focus tends to be on WWI, (specifically aviation) and WWII (all aspects) as well as early American history (Revolutionary period), Greco\Roman history (lifes and times of the Caesars) and Biblical History (particular emphasis on early Christianity, the Historical Jesus and the Supression of Heresy through the ages).

As one of my old (old old old)teachers used to tell me, "History's a wonderful thing only if we learn it and more importantly, learn from it."

Have you read the book "Flyboys" by James Bradley? Has some very interesting history about our country and flying. Thought you might like it.

 

[Waynebro]

Sure. I won't argue with you there. No situation is perfect. I'll give you that. And yes. I've been walking for over 30 years and still trip sometimes. But having martial arts training and a weapon swings the odds a little. Another thing. Many people feel that people that carry a gun shoot first and ask questions later. Not saying that's you. Just in general. I'm all for avoiding conflict, walking the other way, and only using submission techniques or my weapon as a LAST line of defense. Just to be clear.

I understand Matt, and I think if I wanted anyone carrying guns in public other than peace officers, it would be someone like yourself. But the fact is you are in a very exclusive minority of persons who have mastered some pretty difficult things. The kind of discipline you posses is possesed by only a small fraction of society. Which is why we have trained law enforcement who can competently carry a gun (and many of them not so competently), and control crime and violence.

Once again I must turn to the taming of the wild west by men like Masterson, Earp and Cook who understood that the first rule to order was to remove firearms from the streets of their cities and towns. They didn't take peoples guns. They merely prohibited the carrying of them in society. If there was a problem they'd deal with it. Not the other citizens. And that meant at times there would likely be situations where a citizen may be mugged, beaten or even killed. That's the price we pay for living in lawful instead of lawless societies. Civilization like all things comes with a price, and we are never really safe from anything. A gun won't stop a car from running over you, and it won't stop a crane from landing on your car. A gun won't stop a traffic accident, or job lay off (though it may deter it for an hour or two), or a tumor growing in your liver. It won't stop a trainwreck or a planewreck and it won't stop a sewer gas explosion. As you so correctly stated, you never know what's going to happen.

The fact is it takes courage to step out of your door in the morning. It takes just a little bit more to do it without a gun.