Buying Advice Which Kioti?

[IslandTractor]

Hayseed I have to disagree. The KL401 will lift a lot more than a ton to a "driving" height. You are correct that pivot point lift measurements are not real world but then we don't typically lift very heavy loads to full height either. I think I have lifted boulders weighing pretty close to two tons high enough to move them 100 feet even though the tractor with backhoe mounted was close to lifting the rear wheels. I'll try to remember to measure the boulder dimensions and calculate a weight.

 

[PA hayseed]

Hayseed I have to disagree. The KL401 will lift a lot more than a ton to a "driving" height. You are correct that pivot point lift measurements are not real world but then we don't typically lift very heavy loads to full height either. I think I have lifted boulders weighing pretty close to two tons high enough to move them 100 feet even though the tractor with backhoe mounted was close to lifting the rear wheels. I'll try to remember to measure the boulder dimensions and calculate a weight.

If you lifted and drove a two ton object (4000 lbs) in your 40, I would have to be there to believe it. When I say 200+ hours of loader work, I mean it. I have moved many big things, have skidded some trees that were 2ton+, but never lifted and carried anything anywhere near two tons. When I moved my house, I spent the entire summer doing nothing but loader work. Shale, limestone, topsoil, sandstone boulders, old concrete slabs, old maple trees. Moving cinder blocks and bricks (pallets), masonry sand, portland cement, concrete. Pulling pickup trucks and delivery trucks out of the mud. I am pretty sure I know my tractors limitations. Who knows, maybe my tractor sucks and the hydraulics are bad on it.

Have to get some expert on here for a real scientific answer. http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/How_much_does_a_pallet_of_cinder_blocks_weigh This says over 3k for a pallet of cinder blocks, which I couldn't move. I could only move them once they had some taken off. I Know that the further out you go from the arms the less you can carry. I use QA forks.

 

[PA hayseed]

here is what I found so far.

According to Kioti, the 401 is capable of hauling
Heaped Bucket Capacity 15.88 cu.ft.
15.88 cu.ft is equal to .55 cu yd
a cu yd of gravel weighs approximately:
Link- Answers.com - How much does a cubic yard of gravel weigh
A cubic foot of dry, loose gravel with 1/4" to 2" stones is 105 pounds per cubic foot. So, a cubic yard is that times 27, or 2835 lb. (There are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard.)

So, when the 401 loader hauls a heaping pile of gravel it is carrying roughly 1400 lbs.

a cu.yd of conrete would weigh about 2 ton, so if the bucket is full you are only carrying about 1 ton at most.

So far, the limitation of bucket size, unless hauling a much more dense material like gold, will keep the hauling to about 1 ton, give or take a hundred pounds or so.

 

[IslandTractor]

I'll have to measure the granite boulder I was referring to and then calculate volume and weight. Just for rough estimates it is about 40"x30"x24". That is about 16.5 cubic feet at 168 lbs per cubic ft equals about 2800 lbs. So that is a bit less than I estimated but certainly more than a bucket of gravel.

I'll check the actual dimensions next weekend.

 

[Josh61513]

If you lifted and drove a two ton object (4000 lbs) in your 40, I would have to be there to believe it. When I say 200+ hours of loader work, I mean it. I have moved many big things, have skidded some trees that were 2ton+, but never lifted and carried anything anywhere near two tons. When I moved my house, I spent the entire summer doing nothing but loader work. Shale, limestone, topsoil, sandstone boulders, old concrete slabs, old maple trees. Moving cinder blocks and bricks (pallets), masonry sand, portland cement, concrete. Pulling pickup trucks and delivery trucks out of the mud. I am pretty sure I know my tractors limitations. Who knows, maybe my tractor sucks and the hydraulics are bad on it.

It's all the in the geometry/loading. The center of mass of a 48" pallet is 24" then you have to add the distance of the fork frame to the pins, the center of mass of a boulder in the bucket is likely much closer to the pins.

How much 3-pt. ballast is required in the Kioti specs to get maximum loader capacity? Do you run out of hydraulic capacity or do the rear tires come off the ground?

 

[IslandTractor]

This is the granite boulder I was referring to. The Kioti not only lifted it but actually yanked it out of the ground where it was buried except for about six inches which stuck up and was a problem for mowing. I had no idea it was this big when I latched it with the grapple and lifted it out of the ground. Note also that it is actually at the tip of the grapple not back near the pivot pins which is relevant to Josh's point.

 

[PA hayseed]

It's all the in the geometry/loading. The center of mass of a 48" pallet is 24" then you have to add the distance of the fork frame to the pins, the center of mass of a boulder in the bucket is likely much closer to the pins.

How much 3-pt. ballast is required in the Kioti specs to get maximum loader capacity? Do you run out of hydraulic capacity or do the rear tires come off the ground?

I believe kioti called for something like 1050 in ballast. Kioti doesn't appear to count filled rear tires, which obviously account for something. I figure with filled rears (lets call it 400 lbs although others say more) a 500+ lb box blade (conservative estimate) and another 200-300 pounds on that. total ballast.

So, having attempted to move large items numerous times, here is my deal. If rear tires come up, add more ballast. More ballast added, tractor tires on ground, pallet wouldn't come up. End of story.

Someone is going to have to prove me wrong here, because I see nothing that says Kioti 40/45 is carrying 3ton. I tried and failed on more than one ocassion.

IT, I am not saying that boulder isn't big, but I got boulders on my property too. They are smaller now as I have been using wedges and shims to break them down. I have some nice 2x3 footers that will be making a wall next warm season, but several of those in a bucket and the tractor is groaning to lift.

What about a dealer? Someone here has got to know the answer. Rick? Michigan? Southeast of Elizabethtown dealer (messick I think)?

 

[PA hayseed]

This is the granite boulder I was referring to. The Kioti not only lifted it but actually yanked it out of the ground where it was buried except for about six inches which stuck up and was a problem for mowing. I had no idea it was this big when I latched it with the grapple and lifted it out of the ground. Note also that it is actually at the tip of the grapple not back near the pivot pins which is relevant to Josh's point.

here is my guesstimate, based on picture of boulder. 2.2k tops, but much more likely to be around 1800. The taper of the rock is what is throwing me off.

Not bad for a 40hp tractor, but not 2 tons.

 

[IslandTractor]

here is my guesstimate, based on picture of boulder. 2.2k tops.

That might be correct but note that the rock is well more than 24 inches out from the pivot pins too. I'd say it shows the loader lifts about what the specs say.

 

[PA hayseed]

It's all the in the geometry/loading. The center of mass of a 48" pallet is 24" then you have to add the distance of the fork frame to the pins, the center of mass of a boulder in the bucket is likely much closer to the pins.

How much 3-pt. ballast is required in the Kioti specs to get maximum loader capacity? Do you run out of hydraulic capacity or do the rear tires come off the ground?

So that I am sure, you think the kioti 40/45 is carrying around 2750?

I feel bad for the OP as I am hijacking his thread.