What type PTO?

[MikeA57]

I've got a Ford 1510 and I'm wondering how to tell whether I have the Transmission PTO, or the Live PTO. I do know that I have the single stage clutch (my friend down the street has a 1310 with the dual stage clutch) but I don't know which PTO I have or how to tell. Why is one better than the other, if one is?

Thanks,

Mike

 

[LD1]

If you have a single stage clutch, then it is the transmission PTO and NOT the Live.

Live is better. Transmission PTO like you probabally have is the least desired type. If you are mowing and push the clutch to stop or change gears or go from forward to reverse, the PTO and mower will stop. A real PITA.

A Live/2-stage clutch, you can push the clutch to the first stage to change gears/stop, etc and the mower stays running.

Read this it you woudl like a more detail explination of PTO types and differences.
TractorData.com - Power Take-Off

 

[Soundguy]

remember.. you can have a single stage clutch and a live ( independent) pto... just saying.
in any case.. I bet the 1510 with a single plate clutch is trans as stated.

to check, put clutch down and shift pto into gear... if it starts spinning while the clutch is down, then it would be independent. if it don't start till half way up with no movement of drivetrain, then it is dual stage clutch, and if it don't start till tires do, then it's a version of a trans pto. ( you get some weird ones like ground speed.. etc.. )

soundguy

 

[LD1]

Tractordata lists it as a Transmission PTO with a live as optional.

T-data is usually pretty good about their listings. If it were an independent, they would have listed it as such. So it is more than likely just a plain old transmission PTO with the single stage clutch.

 

[Soundguy]

I never said the 1510 was independent. I was stating you can have a single stage clutch AND still have live pto.. IE.. the presence of a single stage clutch is not mutually exclusive with live pto.. the reason I said that is because of this:

If you have a single stage clutch...and NOT the Live

and that simply is not the case. my ford 5000 has a single stage clutch AND independent, thus live, pto.

soundguy

 

[JC-jetro]

In general semantic that is used to differ "live vs independent" has minor difference amongst brand. In general "live" is reserved for dual clutch system. "independent pto" usually has a single main clutch, The pto shaft is is directly coupled to flywheel/crankshaft. In independent flavor a set of hyd clutch couples the final pto shaft with pto input shaft. My buddy has a JD 5xxx ? that has double clutch but it is classified by Deer as independent as the pto couch is activated by a hand operated lever. In his case pushing the clutch all the way has nothing to do with pto rotation.

JC,

 

[Soundguy]

why dual clutch if the pto is not effected at all? what is the 2nd clutch stage doing? 1st is presumably cutting out drivetrain.. and 2nd?

as for semantics..I believe it's one of those overlapping things. independent being by definition, live.

I've hear dthe term used as 'live independent pto' not that it matters in this case. my sole point that a single stage clutch does not create a situation where you cannot have a live pto.

still wondering what the 2nd stage of that deere clutch is doing?

soundguy

 

[JC-jetro]

why dual clutch if the pto is not effected at all? what is the 2nd clutch stage doing? 1st is presumably cutting out drivetrain.. and 2nd?


I've hear dthe term used as 'live independent pto' not that it matters in this case. my sole point that a single stage clutch does not create a situation where you cannot have a live pto.

still wondering what the 2nd stage of that deere clutch is doing?

soundguy

Totally agreed that you can have one main clutch with a pto system that is not transmission driven hence " independent".

On the Deere thing it is totally different than of what I though "dual clutch" and " live pto"should be. We studied the diagrams and how his pto worked. His pto clutch is normally off and not coupled with the the flywheel unlike other we know. He has to rev down the engine and slowly engage the pto with the hand clutch. On live pto when the clutch is out both pto and transmission clutch are tight against respective pressure plates. In his deer tractor only transmission clutch is tight under normal condition. I have his diagram at work, I think he had two different release forks.The pto release fork is only activated by hand and it is normally off.


JC,

ps. I'm going off a tangent but can post out the diagrams tomorrow.

 

[LD1]

why dual clutch if the pto is not effected at all? what is the 2nd clutch stage doing? 1st is presumably cutting out drivetrain.. and 2nd?

as for semantics..I believe it's one of those overlapping things. independent being by definition, live.

I've hear dthe term used as 'live independent pto' not that it matters in this case. my sole point that a single stage clutch does not create a situation where you cannot have a live pto.

still wondering what the 2nd stage of that deere clutch is doing?

soundguy

My statement still holds true. I made no reference at all to "tractors in general".

In the OP's case and for purposes of this thread, we are talking about a Ford 1510.

And on a ford 1510, If you have a single stage clutch, the PTO is NOT a live PTO.

And when I made that statement, I was refering to this ONE particular model, NOT all tractors in general. I was trying to keep it simple and NOT confuse anyone. And for general tractor talk, I agree 100% with JC-Jetro. If someone mentions "live PTO" with no reference at all to the word "independent", that means two-stage clutch in most peoples minds.

 

[RickB]

why dual clutch if the pto is not effected at all? what is the 2nd clutch stage doing? 1st is presumably cutting out drivetrain.. and 2nd?


soundguy

Stated simply, the second stage drives the PTO and is operated by a second release bearing and second set of PP levers (fingers). Hence it is a dual stage clutch that provides independent PTO control. Quite common in European designed tractors and Waterloo-built gear-drive Deeres from 1960 through the early 90's or so. Any of many tractor brands using LUK double clutches would be of this style.

None of this applies to the OP's 1510. The first response is correct in that regard.