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Jerry/MT · Feb 16, 2012

Soundguy said:
m2c134d is not a fluid.. but is a spec.. just like your nh410b. IE.. there is no 'm2c134d' fluid.

ambrag , for instance, meets the m2c134d spec.

most utf's meet many specs. it will be up to the OP to choose a utf that meets the stated specs for his machine. I hope he has a manual.

soundguy

After 34+ years in engineering I know the difference between a spec and a fluid! In the the aircraft industry, the "..XXXXspec fluid..." means fluid that meets XXXX spec. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I'm trying to run down whether an M2C 134D fluid meets NH410B fluid specs but I'm having a hard time findings specs for Ambra. The AMBRA MSDS sheets don't give anything but safety info and a few physicall properties but no viscosity at temperature , etc. I have not found any NH410B spec info either. Does anybody have this info they can share?

Soundguy · Feb 16, 2012

Jerry/MT said:
After 34+ years in engineering I know the difference between a spec and a fluid! In the the aircraft industry, the "..XXXXspec fluid..." means fluid that meets XXXX spec. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

had you actually said it that way xxxxxspec fluid.. etc.. I'd have known exactly what you were talking about .. but you said.. specifically:

Does M2C134D fluid meet the NH410B spec?

no 'spec' at the end of that #, before fluid. that's where the confusion came from. I know -you- know the difference. I simply mad ethe clarification for others not familiar with these fluids or specs, reading the posts.

Jerry/MT said:
I'm trying to run down whether an M2C 134D fluid meets NH410B fluid specs but I'm having a hard time findings specs for Ambra. The AMBRA MSDS sheets don't give anything but safety info and a few physicall properties but no viscosity at temperature , etc. I have not found any NH410B spec info either. Does anybody have this info they can share?

i do a decent bit of research on utf's when they hit.. generally a lil bit of snooping will turn up a datasheet, even if you have to hit the manufactuers site to get it. I've managed to find spec ( as well as msds ) sheets on most of the common utf's out there.. certaintly all the warren products.. even the cheap accel branded stuff as well as the stuff some tsc are selling.. the extreme utf series with pureflow and ultra ( go ultra.. pureflow is a brick when cold ).

ok.. just hit the internet.. and yes.. ambra g meets the nh410b spec:

Meets NH specification NH-410B

New Holland-Ambra Multi-G 134 Fluid

Soundguy · Feb 16, 2012

more searching reveals that plenty of generic utf meet the nh 410b spec

total lubricant products, morrison lubes, even amsoil 5w30 universal tractor lube,

nebraska apparrently list sthe nh410b as the generic lube for hte tranny / hyds in it's test, for this one that I happened to pull up and read:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/NewH/NH TS115A.pdf

Jerry/MT · Feb 16, 2012

ok.. just hit the internet.. and yes.. ambra g meets the nh410b spec:

New Holland-Ambra Multi-G 134 Fluid[/QUOTE]

Yeah, my owners manual says that but what else besides Ambra mees NH410B? And what does NH410B specify so a person can look at a data sheet and see if other oils do meet NH410B? I think in all the change over from Ford to Ford-NewHolland to New Holland to Case-New Holland no one has brought all the compatibiity data up to date. It's pretty rare, at least in my experience, after spending about 3 hours last night, to find any reference to NH410B when different UTF suppiers specify their compatability. There is a whole lot of reference to "Ford NewHo lland M2C1345D" however. I'm almost certain that M2C134D is compatible with NH410B but I'd like to either see th data or see a compatibilty statement to that effect. These specs aren't top secret!

Viscosity Oil blends Ambra and you'd think you'd be able to find out things like viscosity, etc, etc and some ASTM test references to give you an idea of how it would behave. Not so.

Soundguy · Feb 16, 2012

i posted a few links of oils meeting it.

plenty of utf's I saw online mentioned it... just have to search out a specific one and see if it is listed.

soundguy

Jerry/MT · Feb 16, 2012

Soundguy said:
more searching reveals that plenty of generic utf meet the nh 410b spec

total lubricant products, morrison lubes, even amsoil 5w30 universal tractor lube,

nebraska apparrently list sthe nh410b as the generic lube for hte tranny / hyds in it's test, for this one that I happened to pull up and read:

http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/NewH/NH TS115A.pdf

"more searching reveals that plenty of generic utf meet the nh 410b spec"Can you provide some specifics?

[url]http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/NewH/NH%20TS115A.pdf[/url

of course a New Holland tractor would use NH410B oil in the nebraka Test! But what the heck is NH410B oil!

Soundguy · Feb 16, 2012

google total lubricants

morrison oil

and amsoil 5w30 tractor fluid.

all those flew the nh410b flag

Jerry/MT · Feb 17, 2012

Soundguy said:
google total lubricants

morrison oil

and amsoil 5w30 tractor fluid.

all those flew the nh410b flag

Never seen Morrison around here and AMsoil is probably more expensive then Ambra. Chevron makes All Weather THF and 1000THF but it's doesn't say it meets NH410B though it meets 134D.

Soundguy · Feb 17, 2012

i bet you are right on the amsoil stuff. it's the only utf I've ever seen sold in QUARTS!

ps.. my point on the nebraska test was that they specificall ymentioned the 410b spec for the ir test and not the 134d spec.. seems like a different spec altogether.. and not just an update.. ie.. 134 a-b-c-d etc...

soundguy

Jerry/MT · Feb 17, 2012

Soundguy said:
i bet you are right on the amsoil stuff. it's the only utf I've ever seen sold in QUARTS!

ps.. my point on the nebraska test was that they specificall ymentioned the 410b spec for the ir test and not the 134d spec.. seems like a different spec altogether.. and not just an update.. ie.. 134 a-b-c-d etc...

soundguy

I'd expect a New Holland tractor under test would always refer to a NH spec joil ust for consistency within the brand. Likewise, I'd expect Case/IH to reference their fluid specs if their tractor was on test. That's the correct way to do it.
That's exactly why I'm try to find some info re: the NH410B spec. The -134D spec is an artifact of Ford and was picked up by Ford New Holland. The NH410B fluid compatibility is conspicuously absent in almost all the fluids I have looked at for compatibility whereas the -134D is not; and further, the latter is listed as a "Ford NewHolland "spec in many cases. My thinking is that with all the changes in New Holland in the past several years, something this mundane (compatibility of -134D and NH410B ) has never been approved by the power train engineering groups of whoever owned the brand over the years. (New Holland, Fiat-New Holland, and now Case New Holland)

I have a container of Ambra and I'll check that out for any info. I can't believe that that Ambra is so unique that it and Morrison and Amsoil are the only qualified fluids. I believe Case/IH HyTran is compatible with -134D and some of CNH tractors have the identical power train that our NH TD95D has.

Over the years, until just recently(last decade?), we've had a lot of stability in OEM ownership and it was easy to find compatible brands of fluid that were not OEM suppied for use in our machines. Just like so many things in this brave new global world of ours, things like this flall through the crack.