What type alarm system for home?

   / What type alarm system for home? #31  
I have my place surrounded by high woven wire fence with 2 strands of barbed wire on top: one inside and one outside of the post. The driveway entrance is narrow and steel gated. An alert transmitter signals up to the house that a vehicle is there. The gates are set such that my Tahoe barely fits through it (1" on each side of the mirrors). Even I need to creep through there. Thats the only way in or out.

My other alarm goes off quite frequently, at unpredictable times, is very recognizable and can be heard at the State Police post 3+ miles away. I've been told that passers by can feel the thump into the backstop at 600' from it. Ammunition from Cabelas. Barrett 50 cal BMG. Be the first person on your block to be the last person on your block....
 
   / What type alarm system for home? #32  
:rolleyes:Looks like another project...
Lets see, I looked on fleabay at security systems, seems most are wireless. I have gone through countless cordless phones over the years, I have determined that batteries are an issue, at least they have been in the past.
I have some wireless sensors. The batteries last well over a year, so I change them all every year along with my smoke detector batteries. 9V batteries are not an issue. The issue with a wireless sensor is the alarm panel checks the sensors every so often to see if they are still there. If you leave, say, a window open without a 2nd magnet in the open position, the panel checks the sensor and finds it open. After several hours of this, say sleeping with the window open, the panel determines a sensor is bad and reports it. You then have to correct the situation before you can set the alarm. This means closing the window and pushing a relink button to tell the panel the sensor is O.K. This situation is eliminated with a 2nd magnet in the open position.
I would loke to forget how many times in the summer the windows were open and rain came in, I can imagine what a wireless window sensor would do when wet...
Wireless sensors are usually mounted on the side of the window at the center of the window and a wire connects to the magnet(s). Rain will not come in and blow around to the side and up to the center of the window. If it is raining that bad, you will have more to worry about than a twenty dollar sensor. ;)
I bought a set of driveway alerts today from Home Depot, I have 2 bird houses on trees that have no residents currently, they are naturals for the PIR detectors. The receiver has a 9V battery and an ac wall wart adaptor. It also provides a contact relay for input into a security system.

Hope you like to sleep at night. :p Outdoor PIR detectors tend to flake out more than anything I have ever dealt with regarding home security. If you adjust it for a man-sized object when it is warm and dry outside you will get different results when it is cold and damp and vice versa. Someone walks down your driveway. BING! A deer walks down your driveway. BING! A pack of raccoons walks down your driveway. BING! You get the idea.

Indoor PIRs work really well for us in areas where there are no animals moving about. For example, in our first house we had a small unfinished basement. One PIR in the corner covered the stairs coming down from the back door and all of the basement windows. One fifty dollar sensor for 8 windows and a stairwell. Very efficient and only one wire to run, too. So think about using them in those types of areas, like a garage, barn, etc... although one hangar at the airport kept getting set off at night by an owl! :)

Lights need to be added, have fixtures for outside of barn.
We have some inexpensive X10 floodlights with PIRs. They are flaky about distinguishing animals from people as I said, but they have a neat feature in that I can set them so that if one goes off it will trigger all of the rest of them. So if someone comes around the back side of the house and sets off the back motion sensor, it tells all of the other floodlights around the other sides of the house to turn on as well. 360 degree lighting around the entire house. No place for bad guy to hide except away from the house. :)
 
   / What type alarm system for home?
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MOSSROAD< I am getting EDUCATED!
Thanks again for tips, I will be shopping for a system, I kind of like the GENERAL ELECTRIC Simon wireless, looks fairly easy to setup. I don't have a lot of time to be pulling wires, etc right now, I will be putting up barbed wire in woods for itty bitty Dexter Cattle this winter. I am protected on all sides then (Ravine, Creek, Osage Orange trees, and now a driveway sensor. I will take under advisement about PIR on drive, rather too many false than nothing right now. I really cannot see from the bedroom much of anything, it is on back of house facing the barn and wouldn't see the lights come on. Also learning where the window contacts go etc...


While looking at stuff on web, saw that the weather is potentially rather winterish coming up this week, looks like the lake effect snow machine is going to fire up, shamed by Houston, TX as to how much snow there has been this year.

That 50 cal varmint gitter is certainly a solution, price per round to shoot here at gun clubs is about $6...

YouTube - Barrett M107 .50 Caliber sniper rifle
 
   / What type alarm system for home? #35  
Old Paths:
Glad you are coming up with some solutions. A couple of thoughts from experience of living with a HOUSE system and an Exterior/Perimeter system.

The house: Been living with this system for 10 years now. I guess it depends upon the layout of the house, but I really feel that window sensors are a waste. Perimeter doors are protected by hard wired switches. IR motion detectors in strategic positions (down a hall way, covering a wide area in a common area, high in a corner in a vaulted area) are the ticket if they get in a window or past a door someway. Sensors are EASILY adjusted for pets etc. We have 2 cats and a dog and in 10 years there have been one false from them.

A fire/smoke detector wired into the system is priceless. NOT just one but wherever there is a possiblility. Basement, utility room, upstairs, etc.......This automatically alerts the fire department to get their tail out there.

A glass breakage/loud noise sensor is very valuable where access to the home is easy through a window or glass door.........They work

ALL hard wired into a panel and monitored by a LOCAL outfit with a cell backup.......

A HOME ALARM IS NOT REALLY FOR WHEN YOU ARE THERE; BUT WHEN YOU ARE GONE. Yes, a siren is a deterent and supposedly sends them scooting away. Most intruders are savy and KNOW that they have several minutes of putting up with the noise and adrenalin rush. For me, I want the sheriff on the way........

The PROPERTY:
If I am home, which is 90% of the time I want to be alerted to perimeter intrusions. Any ol veteran will advise you of such. You dont stop them as they walk in the door; but when they are WAY out there and away from you.
NOW external IR sensors..........
It is all in how you place them........Yes, it is frustrating totally and really worthless for one that is not set up right. You want people and vehicles picked up, not critters or falses........

So, adjust them to that height and along "paths of travel"............Again, I have 4 sensors and yes, after trial and error I HAVE ELIMINATED falses........I find that pointing them towards "infinity" at an angle, down or up the road is most effective.......not directly across the road. Setting them to be pointed high is a matter of adjusting the transmitter and walking in front of it to see if it senses. Yes, a dog is valuable here as a test. DO not point them to infinity towards trees.....birds WILL set them off........Point them towards and embankment works great.......Full sun directly in the lense will cause them to false or NOT detect movement...this time of year pointing them in a southerly direction WILL produce falses.......

Dont set them up where game trails are. Deer will set them off..........Another good reason for a dog as a deterent to deer on the property..........Yes, I have LOTS of deer here; but through trial and error have set my detectors where the critters do NOT tend to walk.......but people will...........

Anyway......just thoughts and to perhaps counter the nay sayers who profoundly pound the table saying that IRs dont work ........a bit of patience and intelligent placement by understanding and USING the limitations of IR goes a very long way

YOU are only as strong as your perimeter...........

God bless......Dennis
 
   / What type alarm system for home? #36  
get yourself video camera w/recorder... as someone mentioned, even if a company monitors your property and phones law enforcement, it may take many minutes for them to arrive. Most often, the bad guys are gone by that time. Sure, everyone did their job but you have still lost property. With a video of cars/trucks and license plates, your chances of recovery are much greater.
 
   / What type alarm system for home? #37  
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I also have a hard wired system, it is a good piece of mind having both.

Shane
 
   / What type alarm system for home? #38  
One more thing...here in Georgia lately on some home invasions the perps....shout out POLICE as they break in the house so beware..just because someone yells Police does not mean they are. I can only say what I am inclined to do and that is shoot anybody as many times as I can if they break in to my house in the middle of the night...I don't have time to verify if they are cops or not...if they are not then my wife and I are dead..I will let a jury decide but that's just me.

Just remember if it is the Police kicking in the door you might get the first officer in the stack but it is unlikely you will get all of the officers in the stack. But they will get you making a trial a moot point.

It might be a better tactic to find a position so you can see who comes through the door before shootingwhile your wife calls 911.

Later,
Dan
 
   / What type alarm system for home? #39  
A few comments on the GE Simon Wireless. I am not familiar with it but I took a quick look. It appears to be wireless only. You might consider a hybrid system which allows for wired or wireless. Placement of all in one systems is risky. If it is in the front hallway or bedroom chances are the burglar will smash it before the delays are up. It is best to mount the brains in a remote location such as a closet or basement. It is probably easier to set up than a full featured security system.

GE has a full featured system
GE Security Concord 4 Starter Kit 80-860-4-KT You can start wireless and add wired later if you want. I like to have a few wired motions in prominent locations. The wired ones have a little light. You want guests to see you have a working security system.

The Alarm Professor still sells the Micra wireless sensor The "Micra" - Alarm Professor for $26. It is easy to install and has a ten year battery life. I say still because I purchased the Micra5800 for Ademco systems from him and that is no longer an option.

Insurance cannot replace the need for a burglar system. I lost personal things that could never be replaced with any amount of money. Also you never get over the feeling of violation. Alarms do work.

These guys are in and out in minutes so delays in your system can be costly. Use short delays or none at all. I use no delay by arming and disarming with a wireless two way fob. The two way fob gives feedback so you know the system is armed. When you return home and disarm the feedback indicates if the alarm has been set off. My wife likes this feature because she wants to be assured there is no one lurking in the house.

Zeuspaul
 
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