What to Look for in A ZTR

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sportzkat

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I am currently shooping for a ZTR to mow my roughly 2.5 acres. Relatively flat, but bumpy and somewhat rutty because it is basically an old pasture. I have been mowing it for the past 4 years with a 14HP Craftsman tractor, but it takes about 3-4 hours, so I am looking for something that will do it quicker and more comfortably. I have looked at several brands and have come to the conclusion that its going to cost $6K or more, but I want to get something that will be dependable and last. My question is - Under my circumstances, what features would you be looking for in the ZTR? Dual wheel motors and pumps? Welded deck? HP? Brand of engine? Pretty color!?

Thanks for any input you can provide...
 
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Sportzkat, catchy name .... Roughly 2.5 acres or 2.5 rough acres /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Well the ZTR craze is alive and growing 2.5 acres isn't a whole lot of grass and yes the cheapest commercial unit is $6k and if the ground is real bumpy you won't be able to go fast enough to make the ZTR worth while, A 50-54" rider may be a more reasonable option?
If you don't have a bunch of obstacles to go around the Ztr will probably be only slightly quicker than a larger rider. Now one option for a ZTR is the weight adjustable seat which helps to smooth out the ride ,but these seats are mostly found on the upper end units(at least that my observation as of this post)

With all that said I just got one myself its manufactured by the same people that make the cub cadet M60(also known as TANK) but this one is sold by LESCO the fertilizer people and they know that there ZTR is at least $1k less than most units in an honest comparison.
The one I got was $5999 25hp kawasaki 60"(on sale right now) and the things I like about are ease of maintainence and everything flips out of the way to access the things you need to grease or change, I do wish it had the weight adjustable seat though.
Hope this helps provide some food for thought /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Oh the dual wheel pumps are a must !
 
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Well, I don't own a ZTR but have been looking recently. I am limiting my search to commercial grade mowers so my comments will be based on those.

I've spent hours reading forums to get a handle on the various brands. I would recommend that you spend some time at LawnSite.com

Like CUTs, each brand has its loyal owners and I'm beginning to think that any of the major brands would be fine if you have a good dealer. I've looked at ExMark, Scag, Hustler and Kubota. There are others that have good reputations but I haven't seen them in my area. You will get anecdotal reports on each brand that both praise and crucify them. Other than Kubota, they all seem to use both Kawasaki and Kohler engines on various models and some have a Honda engine option (at least Hustler does). The only diesel model I've looked at was the Kubota. I've read that Grasshopper uses Kubota engines in their diesel model, but I'm not sure about the others. You mention long life as a factor. I think a diesel would certainly give you the longest engine life. But if the rest of the mower konks out on you then , well, you're just left with a diesel engine. Of course, the diesels are going to cost $2K to $3K more than comparable gas version. You will get better fuel mileage with the diesel, but around here diesel now costs more than gasoline.

ZTRs can be fast and really reduce mowing time. Some manufacturers state you can mow 4 or 6 acres per hour. However, high speeds on bumpy ground might translate into internal organ damage to the operator /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif . Therefore, one thing I've learned is to be sure you check out the seat and look for the option of some sort of seat suspension to soften the ride. Again, opinions vary and you should demo several models to see which one feels best to your posterior.

I would also determine what size deck you want. Do you have any fence gates you will need to pass through? I have been advised that the 44"-48" decks will yield a better result if the land is uneven. Less scalping. Of course, a larger deck (52" or 60") would reduce your mowing time due to the larger swath from each pass. The HP requirement would depend, at least in part, on what size deck you get. I would get the largest HP engine offered for whatever deck size you decide upon.

Another thing to determine is how you will manage your clippings. Will you bag, mulch or side discharge? The various manufacturers have different designs for their mulching decks, for example. Also, I've read that there are differences in how a particular mower handles wet grass or long grass. Some complain about excessive clumping if the grass is too long or wet at the time of cutting. It seems as though there are differences in how they handle slopes. Hustler, for example, states their mowers are better on slopes than the competition.

Regarding maintenance, if you will be doing this yourself, then things like the number of and accessibility of the grease zerks would be important. I've read that Kubota has several and at least one is a real bear to get to. On the other hand, the Kubotas have a built-in jack on the front that allows the front end to be raised for easy access to the underside for blade changes, deck cleaning, etc.

Well, I think I've gone on long enough without really helping you. In the end, if I do purchase a ZTR, I'm leaning towards a Scag. They enjoy a good reputation with the professional landscapers, the dealer is very close to home and my experience with their mechanics has been nothing short of outstanding. I can't say I like the Scag any better than the others (in fact, if I had a nearby and decent Hustler dealer, I would probably by a Hustler due to the apparent ruggedness and value) but I think it will do everything I need and will probably last my lifetime of residential use and I have a nearby dealer who I know I can count on for good service (but, sadly, not necessarily the lowest price).

Good luck.


Edit: Well I see Mr. Nasy beat me to the reply and said pretty much what I wanted to with alot fewer words. Sorry about the long post.
 
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Lets not forget deck guage...auxiliary fans on the hydro pumps?...hydraulic resivor capacity...grease fittings everywhere?...fuel capacity...

And as far as the diesel thing goes...a diesel motor on a ZTR will outlast the deck, clutch, and hydro pumps three times over if its taken care of. But yeah GrassHoppper (dealer for them) does use Kubotas 21 & 22hp diesel in their machines, even some of their gas motors too.
 
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Sportzkat,

Welcome to TBN!!

My $.02
I mow just a little more than what you have.
Like many others, I did a lot of comparison on the ZTR's.
Once you get into the commercial machines, the little things from one mfgr. to the next are about the only difference. Each has their own little "tweeks" but for the most part, the engines, hydro pumps... are all pretty close.

You don't have a location in your profile so we don't know how long your mowing season is but if you consider what these machines do when mowing commercially, you'll realize that it would take you 50 years of mowing your 2.5 acres to put the hours/acreage on compared to the commercial use.

One thing I would propose. Get your land flattened out. If a decent lawn roller can't take care of it, see if you can get a cultipacker or better yet, a small paving roller. Check out this thread.

BTW - I went with the Country Clipper Charger. I chose this one primarily due to the flip up deck and single joystick control.

Brian
 
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Nasty,

Thx for the reply. I don't think there is a Lesco dealer anywhere near me. I looked on their site and the closest one to me was in NC (I live in VA). As far as the roughness goes, I'm mowing on a Craftsman tractor right now, so it may feel rougher than it actually is!

Thx again...
 
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bmac,

Thx for the reply. I have been to LawnSite.com and spent some time there. Thx for the heards up. From what I have been told, Kawasaki and Kohler seem to be the engines (gas) of choice, with B&S Vanguard and Honda next in line. Diesal is just out of my price range.

As far as deck size goes, I'm thinking 48"-52", no bigger. I will mainly discharge, but would like the option to mulch. No bagging is expected.

I have both a Scag and Hustler dealer near me and they are both very good. Mower-wise, I believe I would lean to the Hustler.

BTW - I appreciate long posts! Good information, like good wine, takes time...
 
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bczoom,

Thx for the info on getting the yard flattened out. I am going to get with someone about this ASAP. I have seen the Country Clipper mowers and looked into them, but the closest dealer to me was in PA.

BTW - How do I edit my profile?
 
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<font color="blue">BTW - How do I edit my profile </font>

Look up at the top of the page for "My Home" (it's actually your home, not mine /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif), click on it and edit away.
 

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