What sold you on the 4310?

[Tractors4u]

I am shopping for a compact now. I am a JD man, I am on my second JD mower and I have a 6X4 Gator. I am looking at compacts in the low 30hp range. Because of the amount of money I am about to spend I am looking at everything. I have priced the JD 4310 with ePower Reverser with a 430 loader with R4s and my best price is $17,000. Besides the resale price which doesn't really matter to me because I consider this a long term relationship, what sold you on the 4310? The reason I ask is besides the New Holland and Case IH compacts the 4310 has been the most expensive. I like Deere and really want to like this one, but I can get so much more tractor for less money. The 4310 is the smallest of all the tractors I have priced; Kubota 3130, Massey 1433V, and AGCO ST35X. Give me your best sales pitch.

 

[dmp437]

When I started I was split 50/50 between JD and CNH (New Holland). So...

I did a survey of tractor mechanics/dealerships. What machines do you work on the most and what kind of machines are sitting on the trade-in lot. The two most dependable makes were JD and Kubota. The make everyone said to avoid was CNH. Bummer, because they were on my list also. There were many more late model New Hollands that had already been traded in on something else, either green or orange. Since then New Holland's parent company (Fiat) is having severe financial problems and the word is they are prepared to sacrifice the Ag division if necessary to save the car division which is a source of pride in Italy.
Another factor for me was the degree of support. There are many more JD dealers in my area to choose from along with an awesome website with almost any scrap of infomation you could ever want. I just purchased some new parts for a JD implement from JD that's been out of production for 63 years. That's the level of service I expect; JD has the best chance to offer that. More dealers means I'm able to get a little better price. I got my best price from a small dealer with low overhead.
As far as the 4310, it was one size bigger than I needed. The 4310 has higher capacity hydraulics overthe 4210 with a wider range of implements to go with it. I got an awesome price on a 4610 MFWD (a better deal than I got on the 4310) but thought it would be a little too much weight to use as a lawn mower with loaded rear tires.
Bottom line, I was looking for a looooooong term tractor; all factors objectively (scientifically?) considered I concluded JD was the best way to go. More expensive up front, less expensive over the long term. As far as brand loyalty playing a part I'm from a multi-generational GM family (with access to GM employee discounts) but have driven Fords since the late 1980's. Ford had a better product at the time I bought my vehicle. The same process was used when selecting my JD.

 

[MJB]

The thing that sold me on my 4300 was the ease of implement attachment, especially the backhoe. I also appreciated that the mounting systems for the loader, mid mower, and backhoe are compatible with each other so you don't have to remove the mounting brackets for one attachment to mount another.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

First, Pepper, I want to say thanks for all your great input at TBN!

I had a Yanmar before. It was a great tractor, but I was ready to have something with dealer support. No one else can touch Deere there. have you logged into jdparts and looked up a part for your gator? No one else has anything close. At the time I was buying, we were looking a selling Daewoo cars at work. They were great products and had a great warranty. Then GM baought them and there was no warranty. I think it eventuallly shook out, but I didn;t want another orphan...

I really like the setup on the 4310. Yeah, there are heavier, but I can add ballast. Try taking some weight OFF the 3130. There are lots of times that it is handy to be lighter.

The attach/detach on both the loader and hoe are fantastic. I really like the electronics.

The size is Perfect for my needs.

Now your pricing does seem a little high. (I saw my bajaOklahoma buddy Kyle mention the same thing...) I always suggest looking up local dealers on the Deere site. Email or call all that you would be interested in using for service. I saved THOUSANDS that way, and found a dealer that I really like.

You will do fine with whatever you choose

 

[newaukum]

I will agree with what was previously posted. I have to say the greatest advantage of the John Deere is the easy attachment system for the backhoe and FEL. I also use a B21 on a regular basis, and it is a real pain to take the backhoe off. The FEL does not come off. I also prefer the John Deere Dealer much more than the others. After driving the other colors, the JD just fit me and the type of work I do much better. Another deciding factor was this. I live in farming country, mostly dairy, and after driving around, I noticed that none of the farms had anything but John Deere. Farmers do not like to buy equipment more than once, and that says alot for John Deere. You will not be unhappy with the 4310. Dan

 

[farmerdick]

Not in order of importance:
1. Kubota 3130 was not readily available at the time, but new model had been announced.
2. Price from JD dealer was less than I had expected.
3. Ease of use of features.
4. Quality, reputation of company and dealer.
5. Size. 3130 and NH T35/40 might have been more difficult to maneuver around gates, but 2910 and 33 was smaller than I wanted
6. PTO horsepower

I recommend the larger tire option on the 4310.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I went with the 4310 after a 2 month exhaustive research period. It had the best price/hp/dealer combo that I could not pass on. I too kept narrowed my choices to green/orange/blue/red. No China for me.

My local dealer has a "no haggle" price system.
A few months ago when I checked:
4310 ehydro, R4's, DSCV's with 430 FEL for about $17,500

4710,ehydro,R4's, DSCV's with FEL, about $22,500

I haven't checked their pricing lately. Last month, his lot has been looking slim on compacts. I guess the finance incentives have kept them busy...Kyle

 

[Tractors4u]

I decided to go with the 4310 ePower Reverser, 430 loader and R4's. I am getting it for $16,850 out the door. I was initially comparing prices. Massey, Kubota, and Deere were all within $200 of each other. New Holland and Case IH were high and the low price leader was the AGCO ST35X. I may stll kick myself for not getting it at $2000 less than the Deere. I was intially trying to talk my self out of the Deere by doing a pro's and con's list of all the tractors and when I looked at it there was a long list of pro's for the 4310 and only 2 for the AGCO. Kubota came in second on the pro's list. There is a lot of things I liked about the Deere, but there are some things that stalled my decision. One thing is the R4's for the 4310 are 4 inches smaller in diameter than the R1 Ag tires. I would get the ag tires if they didn't have to special order them. Everyone has R4's on the lot. The other tractor brands I looked at dwarfed the Deere because of the smaller tires. The other thing that intially bothered me about the Deere was the steering wheel and the reverser shifter felt kind of flimsy. The steering wheel feels like one from a lawnmower and not as solid as something you would find on a tractor. The Deere dealer here in town closes at noon so they will mount my loader and I will get the tractor Monday.

 

[scottbrrtt72]

Does anyone know how much weight the 430 loader can lift for the 4310 tractor? I was extremely impressed with the 3-point hitch capacity (2200 lbs) for this tractor.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

Wow, Brant. I am impressed! I thought you were going Agco for sure!

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[rockyridgefarm]

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From the 430 Manual
Tractor Model 4300/4400
Front Tires 7.00-14 6PR R1
Rear Tires 11.2-24 4PR R1
Wheelbase (WB) 1726 mm (68 in.)
Material Bucket
Width 1550 mm (61 in.)
Length (N) 618 mm (24.3 in.)
Mass 86 kg (189 lb)
Hydraulic System
Rated Flow 32.6 L/Min (8.6 gal/min)
Maximum Pressure 17.2 MPA (2494 psi)
Maximum Lift Height
To Pivot Pin (A) 2575 mm (101.4 in.)
Clearance
Bucket Level (B) 2375 mm (93.5 in.)
Bucket Dumped (C) 1989 mm (78.3 in.)
Overall Length (WB+F) 3187 mm (125.5 in.)
Digging Depth (H) 155 mm (6 in.)
Reach
At Max Lift Height (D) 651 mm (25.6 in.)
Bucket on Ground (F) 1460 mm (57.5 in.)
Angles
Max Dump (E) 45°
Max Dump at Ground 130°
Max Rollback (G) 30°
Rollback at Full Height (SAE) 64°
Overall Height
In Carry Position (J) 1385 mm (54.5 in.)
Lift Capacity
To Max Height at Pivot Point (U) 572 kg (1258 lb)
To Max Height (V) 475 kg (1045 lb)
To 1.5 m (59 in.) at Pivot Point (W) 883 kg (1943 lb)
To 1.5 m (59 in.) (X) 765 kg (1687 lb)
With Forklift to Max Height (U) 345 kg (760 lb)
Breakout Force
At Pivot Point (Y) 14676 N (3299 lb force)
500 mm (19.7 in.) Forward of Pivot Point (Z) 10750 N (2417 lb force)
Bucket Rollback Force
At Max Height (VV) 9587 N (2155 lb force)
At 1.5 m (59 in.) Lift Height (XX) 14898 N (3349 lb force)
At Ground Level Line (ZZ) 13293 N (2988 lb force)

 

[Tractors4u]

You know what I said about a couple issues on the Deere that stalled my decision? On the AGCO there were a couple of things that I just didn't like. 1. The loader could not be remove the way the dealer sets them up. The tractor had two hydraulic remotes on the back of the tractor and he had mounted the diverter valve under the right floor board and then ran hydro lines to the rear remotes. Even if you unplugged the lines fron the remotes, the hydro lines from the loader were still hard plumbed to the tractor; meaning you would have to get out your wrench and disconnect the lines from the tractor. 2. I asked about a 3rd remote for the back of the tractor and he said, "why, you've already got 2." But I would have to disconnect one of those from the loader to plug anything else in. 3. The joystick for the loader looked like it was put on as an after thought.

The Massey 1433V is identical to this AGCO tractor and they had set theirs up the way I liked it. Remotes for the loader under the right side of the tractor with quick disconnects so the loader could be removed. I never asked them about a 3rd remote for the rear. The joystick for the loader was positioned better and looked like it was built for the tractor. But alas, the Massey dealer wouldn't get down on the price like the AGCO dealer would. It was a shame too because the tractor was nice and the dealer there is great. The Deere dealer I am working with is good. I have known him since I was 5.

 

[scottbrrtt72]

To 1.5 m (59 in.) at Pivot Point (W) 883 kg (1943 lb)


I'm not sure what this number represents.??? 59 inches high from ground level.??