What Kubota compares to the NH TC30?

[johnk]

Sounds like a two stage clutch??

 

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

I am still learning the terminology of tractors and still have not figured out how to compare apples to apples and not to oranges....
What is a comparable Kubota model to the TC 30 and what are you guys opinions on the 2?
Thanks
Wade

Wade..I would recommend visiting New Holland's website, http://www.newholland.com and go to the products/compact tractors/ TC30 page. When you are on the page, at the top is a link called "product comparisons" that will allow you to compare the TC30 with all the other major players together in a spreadsheet type layout. I am a sales manager at a New Holland dealer in upstate NY and of course I have to say that you cant beat the TC30's power, versatility, and overall value for the price. Study the competition hard before making your buying decision. 0% for 36 months is currently available through the end of the month.

 

[JC-jetro]

Sounds like a two stage clutch??

John,

Yes and no.

In either two stage clutch, having two clutch plates, two pressure plates, one flywheel, two shafts (inner pto and outer transmission) or single plate clutch operating both pto and transmission can perform the same task, that is having the pto operation when transmission in neutral, tractor engine on and tractor stationary, the difference is pushing clutch half way on two stage you can change gear (on the fly if synch gear) with no effect on PTO. On single clutch , you'll need to push clutch all the way to shift hence killing the pto power with it.

 

[Keith_B]

Wade..I would recommend visiting New Holland's website, http://www.newholland.com and go to the products/compact tractors/ TC30 page. When you are on the page, at the top is a link called "product comparisons" that will allow you to compare the TC30 with all the other major players together in a spreadsheet type layout. I am a sales manager at a New Holland dealer in upstate NY and of course I have to say that you cant beat the TC30's power, versatility, and overall value for the price. Study the competition hard before making your buying decision. 0% for 36 months is currently available through the end of the month.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock into the comparisons, as there are a number of inaccuracies in them. I compared the 40 hp class tractors like the Mahindra 4110, the JD 990, Kioti DK 40 and the Kubota L4400 to the TC40A and found several number inaccurately reported. For instance Mahindra lists the operating weight of the 4110 at 3,970 pounds and the NH site lists it as 3,064, that is a 906 lb difference. The 4110 has hydrostatic steering, not regular power steering. I'm sure there are a number more irregularities, but those are the ones that jumped out at me.

 

[jbrumberg]

Blackrat:

I agree with Keith_B about the strict comparison of tractor statistics . The specifications often appear to be Sales & Marketing driven and do not always compare the same criteria consistently (like hydraulic pump capacities, lift capacities/distances, etc.). The stats will give you an idea, but I would recommend that you actually sit on, ride, and use the tractors with which you are interested. I believe tractor and dealer "feel" are the most important selection criteria. Jay

 

[jand38]

My TC 30 has Japan all over it and no Korea on the tractor and my books say Japan so I feel that my N/H dealer did not lie to me when he said Japan MD

 

[Keith_B]

Corret with one exception. You can have PTO operation with transmission driven pto when You have gear shifter in neutral, clutch and engage the pto shifter and then let go of the clutch and PTO will trun with the tractor not in motion. Layshaft in transmission continues to turn with the clutch engaged weather in neutral or gear. PTO shaft is fed from the layshaft. Even with the old Ford 8N you can have PTO operation with the gears in neutral and tractor stationary and engine runing . When you depress the clutch all the way in either transmission driven, live (dual clutch) or independen (dedicated PTO clutch hydraulic or otherwise) is when you isolate the engine rotation with the rest of drive system.

This is not a universal truth. Many tractors with tranny PTO will not run with the tractor in neutral, and the clutch out. The WD45, Case 430 and many, many others are like that. In order to overcome this hurdle some manufacturers used a hand clutch, which basically moved a gear and disengaged the rear wheels to imitate live power. My late FIL's 430 Case has a tranny PTO. If the tractor is in neutral the PTO will not work. If the PTO is in a forward gear then the PTO will rotate normally, the higher the gear the faster it turns. If the tractor is in reverse the PTO will rotate the opposite direction (this is really handy if your PHD gets stuck in a root or rock). Stationary usage was made possible by a hand clutch that takes the rear wheels out of gear.

 

[Podunkadunk]

Hi Blackrat; My opinion only, but features & price being anywhere close to equal, I would much rather have a tractor made in Japan (Kubota) than one made in S. Korea (N. H.) Although most Korean made goods have greatly improved during the past 5 years, there is nothing that matches Japanese manufacturing in terms of fit, quality control, automation, machining tolerances, and visual finish. Everything in the design, layout, & manufacturing process; the robotics, the facilities, the high-tech assembly & paint machines, the total committment to on-time parts supply, the loyalty of the workers (it's part of their culture) etc, THESE GUYS ARE GOOD!!

Man, these guys on TBN are slacking! I made a comment once (not quite as bold as yours) about Kubota's, the Jap's engineering traits/quality/standards and they released the hounds on me. I'm with you, don't get me wrong, only the comeback will now be that most (if not all) compact tractors are either entirely, or it's engine is made in Japan...and they will be correct! They indeed build extraordinary machinery and are extremely innovative in their engine technology. Having spent time IN Japan while I was military, I can say their work ethic is quite different from the good ole boys in the U.S. of A. If it's any consolation, my garage is filled with the following:

Toyota Tacoma 4x4 (4 prior trucks were Nissan (2) and Toyota (2)).
Nissan 350Z (wife)
Honda VTX-1800C
Suzuki C-50 Boulevard
Honda 350 ATV 4x4
Kubota L3130

Darn it, I have a Craftsman Lawn mower and a Husquavarna weed whacker/edger combo. So much for a royal flush!

RELEASE THE HOUNDS

-Podunk

 

[JC-jetro]

This is not a universal truth. Many tractors with tranny PTO will not run with the tractor in neutral, and the clutch out. The WD45, Case 430 and many, many others are like that. In order to overcome this hurdle some manufacturers used a hand clutch, which basically moved a gear and disengaged the rear wheels to imitate live power. My late FIL's 430 Case has a tranny PTO. If the tractor is in neutral the PTO will not work. If the PTO is in a forward gear then the PTO will rotate normally, the higher the gear the faster it turns. If the tractor is in reverse the PTO will rotate the opposite direction (this is really handy if your PHD gets stuck in a root or rock). Stationary usage was made possible by a hand clutch that takes the rear wheels out of gear.

Thanks Keith.
Learning new things every day. I had my only little ole Ford 1700 to compare and all the stuff I read in last year or so. Much oblige

 

[machmeter62]

The L2800 is slightly lower HP than the TC30.
The L3400 is slightly more HP than the TC30.

Both of the "00" series machines would be reasonably comparable to other basic tractors like the TC30 or Deere 790/990 tractors.

Unless they changed things, the L2800 GEAR is not a tractor that I would ever choose because of its old style transmission/pto type. The L2800 HST is a different configuration as is the L3400 GEAR. There are differences that you cannot SEE or FEEL that should be taken into account.

BOB: I don't know if you had a chance to operate the L2800 (manual shift), and the JD 790 using the loaders? I have both with the loaders. The L2800 is easier to do loader work, because of the "semi shuttle." One just selects the gear appropriate, for the type and hardness of the material, with the gear lever; then, just using the shuttle lever in low/high/reverse range. It is easier and quicker than the JD, because of the two lever operation there, if low range is required on the JD going into the pile? If a higher percentage of work requires a loader; the HST is a winner! The JD is more nimble in confining areas, however. I haven't looked at the TC-30, but I do have a 2000 NH 1720 manual shift with a 12 FWD/4 REVERSE transmission; and you can do some "serious backing up" in 4th gear!!