What about the new Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 synthetic engine oil?

[Robin Veerman]

Ya they have that oil at advanced auto. I was ready to get the stuff until I found amsoil.

This is what I use in my 2014 Kioti, Amsoil Signature 5W40. I like the low pour point for winter use and the high K viscosity at 100C for summer use. An oil change is a little pricey, but it's a premium PAO synthetic, so what if it costs me an extra 20 bucks.
AMSOIL Signature Series Max-Duty Synthetic Diesel Oil 5W-4

Dutchy

 

[Langanobob]

I’m using the Amsoil 5W40 Signature Series also.

 

[MHarryE]

Attended a CNH customer meeting Tuesday at which their oil rep had a presentation. If one has a new Case International or New Holland tractor, the oil change interval is 600 hours if the customer uses their synthetic oil. Any other oil the oil change interval is 300 hours. He said if an engine problem occurs the oil will be tested. If oil other than theirs is found, warranty will be disallowed (assuming the engine problem is lubrication related) unless proof is given oil change intervals were at 300 hours or less. He provided test data showing how much their synthetic exceeded others although the 10 oils in the charts were not identified by name (except CNH oil which of course was the best). Its something one needs to consider although one seldom reads of an engine lubrication failure in the warranty period. CNH has their own oil specs - MATxxxx - and I have not their approval listed on Mobil or Shell synthetics. Not sure how important that it meets the spec. He stated that the MAT spec for their hydraulic fluid requires no zinc. Most hydraulic oils have zinc as a low cost anti-wear additive. International developed their Hy-Tran in the 60s with anti-wear not using zinc.

 

[Robin Veerman]

Attended a CNH customer meeting Tuesday at which their oil rep had a presentation. If one has a new Case International or New Holland tractor, the oil change interval is 600 hours if the customer uses their synthetic oil. Any other oil the oil change interval is 300 hours. He said if an engine problem occurs the oil will be tested. If oil other than theirs is found, warranty will be disallowed (assuming the engine problem is lubrication related) unless proof is given oil change intervals were at 300 hours or less. He provided test data showing how much their synthetic exceeded others although the 10 oils in the charts were not identified by name (except CNH oil which of course was the best). Its something one needs to consider although one seldom reads of an engine lubrication failure in the warranty period. CNH has their own oil specs - MATxxxx - and I have not their approval listed on Mobil or Shell synthetics. Not sure how important that it meets the spec. He stated that the MAT spec for their hydraulic fluid requires no zinc. Most hydraulic oils have zinc as a low cost anti-wear additive. International developed their Hy-Tran in the 60s with anti-wear not using zinc.

The funny thing is.....so you send in an oil sample and don't tell the Lab which brand of oil it is, or you tell them the brand they want to hear, they wouldn't know with 100% certainty which brand it really is. They will be able to determine what type of oil though, whether petroleum based, PAO synthetic etc. Just an OEM trying to hose the customer into buying their brand of oil and also a way out of a warranty claim, should an issue arise.
Keep your oil/filter receipts and your maintenance book up to date during warranty....
My 2 cents, Dutchy

 

[Copperhead]

That is not quite true. The typical used oil sample, they cannot tell if it is a 5w40 or a 15w40. No, they cannot tell the base oil, only the CSt viscosity at 100c. And even then, a 40w (conventional, blend, or full synthetic) falls within a broad range of viscosity that is the standard for meeting 40w classification. To determine the actual base stock requires testing far beyond what is cost effective even for the OEM to waste time on. They can determine the basic makeup of the additive package in the oil, which makes up to 20% of any motor oil. And the add pack makes more of a difference than the base oil.

And CNH doesn't blend their own oil. A third party does it and within a given spec that meets the classification desired, the differences are minor between OEM branded oil and name brand you get off the shelf. One really has to give them a reason to be suspicious to even go this far to test the oil.

One probably should keep receipts. But, it is an extremely rare situation the would cause the OEM or dealer to want to see them. Like if your oil was really becoming sludge. Something that looks obvious that you were not changing the oil.

 

[Robin Veerman]

That is not quite true. The typical used oil sample, they cannot tell if it is a 5w40 or a 15w40. No, they cannot tell the base oil, only the CSt viscosity at 100c. And even then, a 40w (conventional, blend, or full synthetic) falls within a broad range of viscosity that is the standard for meeting 40w classification. To determine the actual base stock requires testing far beyond what is cost effective even for the OEM to waste time on. They can determine the basic makeup of the additive package in the oil, which makes up to 20% of any motor oil. And the add pack makes more of a difference than the base oil.

And CNH doesn't blend their own oil. A third party does it and within a given spec that meets the classification desired, the differences are minor between OEM branded oil and name brand you get off the shelf. One really has to give them a reason to be suspicious to even go this far to test the oil.

One probably should keep receipts. But, it is an extremely rare situation the would cause the OEM or dealer to want to see them. Like if your oil was really becoming sludge. Something that looks obvious that you were not changing the oil.

So, I think you are agreeing with me? Receipts are important and obviously so is the right type of lube for the application. Dutchy

 

[sixdogs]

So, I think you are agreeing with me? Receipts are important and obviously so is the right type of lube for the application. Dutchy

I almost always buy OEM oil filters and make sure the dealer puts my name into the system so I don't have to think about it. Oil is from wherever I get the best price for what I want. After any maintenance, I write the mileage on the top off the oil filter box and record the mileage that I enter into my maintenance record so I can keep track of things. I save those box tops for a couple years. It's stuff I just do and it's more work to write this down than it is to do it. I've done it for decades.

There should never be a warranty issue but if there was, I win.

 

[mguitas]

This is what I use in my 2014 Kioti, Amsoil Signature 5W40. I like the low pour point for winter use and the high K viscosity at 100C for summer use. An oil change is a little pricey, but it's a premium PAO synthetic, so what if it costs me an extra 20 bucks.
AMSOIL Signature Series Max-Duty Synthetic Diesel Oil 5W-4

Dutchy

I like that you can buy it by the quart, cause I only need three.