Welder hooked up backwards

   / Welder hooked up backwards #11  
you did ok, that was the very first welder i had and learned alot from it and it always did what i asked of it. but, it will not take long for you to want more, ac/dc, and the mig. it is a visious cycle, but a fun one.

tim
 
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#12  
That was the idea. Get something small and low power to learn on.
Then I move up to the bigger units.

I ran out of daylightn this evening.
So I will have to test it tomorrow evening.
I did get all the wiring straightened out.
It is ready to plug in and start welding.

Pooh Bear
 
   / Welder hooked up backwards #13  
I'd say this is good enough to at least get you started stick welding. Even though it's on the low end of power and duty cycle, stick is the welding process that is capable of doing the thickest material with the least power. It's messy though...don't expect nice MIG or TIG looking beads, but you can likely get good (but still ugly) welds with some practice. There shouldn't be any damage from hooking the leads up wrong since it's AC. When you're trying to strike an arc, think of it as striking a match...that's the best analogy I've ever heard, and it's pretty accurate. The duty cycle is really low, so expect to spend lots of time standing there waiting for the machine to cool. Also, make sure you wear safety glasses underneath the auto-darkening hood...here's why: it'll become a habit to raise the hood immediately after you finish a bead...with stick you generally will grab your chipping hammer and chip the slag off so you can run another bead. If you don't have safety glasses on underneath the welding hood, you can get a piece of hot slag in your eye while chipping after you've raised the hood and forgotten to put the safety glasses on. In fact, you don't even have to be chipping it off with the chipping hammer...hot slag will sometimes pop off as it cools. You absolutely do not want to get a piece of hot slag in an eye...develop the habit of wearing those safety glasses all the time from the start! Make sure you wear thick welding gloves as well...welded steel stays hot for a long time. Keep good ventilation since this is a smoke wrench, and beware that you are dealing with high-amperage electricity on a torch that is hot everytime you turn the machine on. (It takes less than 1 amp under the right conditions to cause cardiac arrest...namely, passing through the chest from one hand to the other while there's reduced skin resistance...think perspiration!)

And be sure to show us pictures of your yard-art when you're done! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Good luck,
Dave
 
   / Welder hooked up backwards #14  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Also, make sure you wear safety glasses underneath the auto-darkening hood...here's why: it'll become a habit to raise the hood )</font>

I like the hoods with the flip up tinted shield.. with the glass underneath.. that way you aren't flipping the helmet up, but can see to chip.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( but you can likely get good (but still ugly) welds with some practice )</font>

With practice you can get darn nice looking welds with even an ac welder.. I have gotten to the point where I can run 'mig' looking beeds with 6011 rods on my little ac buzzbox. got to have a steady hand.. good joint, and good surface prep.. no wind.. etc.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There shouldn't be any damage from hooking the leads up wrong since it's AC. )</font>

I was thinking about that last night. Ok.. the ac one is a no brainer if it is just xformer to xformer connections on the ground clamp and torch.

Now.. on a DC machine.. say you are DCEP.. if you hooked up the leads backwards.. wouldn't it effectively be DCEN welding? After all.. it is just current flowing from one electrode to the other. Aside from it making a difference on deposit and rod selection, seems like no damage would be done to the unit. Am I right in this thinking?

Soundguy
 
   / Welder hooked up backwards #15  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">(

Now.. on a DC machine.. say you are DCEP.. if you hooked up the leads backwards.. wouldn't it effectively be DCEN welding? After all.. it is just current flowing from one electrode to the other. Aside from it making a difference on deposit and rod selection, seems like no damage would be done to the unit. Am I right in this thinking?

Soundguy )</font>

Absolutely correct. There are some rods that work best with AC, some rods that work best with DCEP, and I believe some rods that also work with DCEN. On my TIG, you use DCEN for TIG, squarewave AC for aluminum or magnesium (set a switch), or use DCEP for stick (switch the cables). I suppose there's no reason you couldn't use AC with stick as well, even though the manual doesn't say anything about it. The welder doesn't care which way the leads are hooked up, but the weldor does (or should!).

Dave
 
   / Welder hooked up backwards #16  
That's what I thought.. the machine is just passing current from one wire to the other... so shouldn't care about which cable has a clamp and which cable has a torch... the 'difference' is rod selection based on polarity of the torch, and for type of work you are doing ( verticle welds.. etc) .. or material... ( mild steel... alloys.. etc.. hardfacing.. joining or building up.. etc.. )

Soundguy
 
   / Welder hooked up backwards #17  
DC welders are mucho bucks. It is safe to assume that this is AC only and as such makes no difference which wire you use as a torch or ground. Right?

I wish my AC225 buzzbox was an ac/dc version but you can't argue with free.
 
   / Welder hooked up backwards #18  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It is safe to assume that this is AC only and as such makes no difference which wire you use as a torch or ground. Right?
)</font>

That would be my assumption as well.

Soundguy
 
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#19  
It is an AC only welder.

I still haven't tested it out by trying to weld with it.
Been too hot here to get outside. Been busy with other stuff.

I want to test the auto darkening helmet before using.
I got it at Harbor Freight last week for $50.
I went outside yesterday and looked at the sun thru it.
I put my hand over the lense and I could see thru the lense.
I moved my hand and it went dark for half a second, then clear again.
Shouldn't it go dark and stay dark, or is the sun not bright enough.

Maybe I will get to test it all this weekend.

Pooh Bear
 
   / Welder hooked up backwards #20  
Pooh, if itwent dark it's working right. I have a HF auto hood and like it . When you start to test weld use the smallist rod you have on 1/8 inch our thinner metal. If rod sticks turn amps up and try again.
 

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