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Tom_W

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Kioti 1914 TLB kl1210 loader and a smc 65a backhoe (same as rhino)
I have a 1914 tlb that I have wondered if I am getting all the power I should be getting from it. I get about 1/3 to 1/2 of a bucket of dirt and it barely curls back and it must be curled all the way back for the arms to lift fully. The hyd bypass on the tractor is all the way up. My question is the adjustment on the loader controls. What is this for?
 

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Here's a pic of the tractor bypass valve.
 

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Hi Tom,
In the picture I believe you show the bypass valve for the tractor. I don't know if they are similar, but the DK 35 bypass for the loader is right on the top of the joystick valve. It looks like a slotted screw with a lock nut next to the valve body. Loosen the lock, turn the screw in a round, and see if that is enough. Be sure you have plenty of weight on the rear of the tractor before you make any adjustments unless your are looking for a rodeo. Good luck.
Dave
 
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am having the same problem with mine but dont dare turn anything up because 2 of the rams r leaking and have blown the glands out...will evintually git a better designed set of rams but for now jist prayin they hold together..very poor design on the rams..the only thing that holds the glands in is an inside c clip and they jist keep on tearing out the inside groove and blowing out completely /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Loosen the lock, turn the screw in a round, and see if that is enough. Be sure you have plenty of weight on the rear of the tractor before you make any adjustments unless your are looking for a rodeo. )</font>

Ok which way, in or out? As far as weight goes, I have the backhoe on most of the time. No leaks so far any where on the tractor.
 
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What model loader do you have on that? We haven't seen any problems with the KL102 Loaders or Rhino 2406s.
 
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My guess is in. You will be able to tell after the first turn. Make small adjustments and test after each round or half round. I would stop once the bucket will pick up a slightly rounded bucket full of dirt. If your bucket is oversize, like a material bucket, less than level full would be plenty. Please be advised, I'm not a real mechanic, but do do know the location of several 'Holiday Inn Express's'.
 
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Dave is right, clockwise to increase pressure and lifting power and counter clockwise to reduce the pressure and lifting power. I am surprised that it is that far out of adjustment, normally TLB's are set higher than standard tractors due to the weight (ballast) of the Backhoe.

Start out with 1 full turn clockwise, this will make a substantial difference in curling and lifting power. If you need more, go 1/4 to 1/2 a turn at a time until you are satisfied. Try not to go to far as you will cause other problems such as a bent bucket or blown rod seals.

If you have a quick attach loader, a simple pressure tester can be made from a 3000 psi guage, a short piece of hydraulic hose which should also be rated at 3000 psi working pressure and a hydraulic quick coupler that matches what you have on the tractor.

Plug the test gauge in say the port that raises the loader, start the tractor and with the loader completely disconnected from the tractor, pull back on the joystick slowly (like you are going to raise the loader) until max pressure is seen on the gauge. Compare this to the manufacturers recommended pressure settings and adjust the laoder relief valve as necessary.

Good Luck /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Nailerguy
 
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On my DK 35 turning the relief screw 1/8 to 1/4 turn clockwise increased pressure approx. 100 PSI.
My opinion is you should have a pressure guage when adjusting the relief valve to give you an idea where you are on pressure to avoid overadjustment and possible damage to the system.
 
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My DK35 needed a little boost when I got it. My dealer said it should not happen, but that occasionally adjusting the pressure relief on a loader is overlooked during setup, usually when 2 people are working on it and each thinks the other took care of it.

Most CUT's now have so much hydraulic power that setting bypass pressure is a safety issue, for both the operator and the tractor components, instead of a capacity issue.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What model loader do you have on that? We haven't seen any problems with the KL102 Loaders or Rhino 2406s. )</font>

I have a KL1210 loader. Thanks to all for the input.
 
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Well I turned it 1 1/4 turns in and that helped a good bit. I'll try this for a while to see if it's not enough or too much. Thanks again for the input.
 
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If you look closely to the threaded allen screw you will see a small half c-clip you can not turn it any further than that with out removing the clip. Every one that I have sent out we pressure test and they all seem to have to be screwed out to that clip inwhich it gives the right factory spec pressure.
Now the last shippment of KL1210 have a different style relief valve and they need to be checked with a gauge /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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That's because they are preset reliefs.... you should not need to adjust them anymore..... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Mine was the same way. I also have the 1210 loader. I gave it a full turn and the difference is incredible. Before I couldn't lift the front wheels off the groud with out a lot of jiggling of the controls.
Does anyone know the correct pressure? I'd like to verify the pressure so I don't prematurely wear out any of my seals.
 
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I'm new to this list and to tractors in general. I'm in the same boat and have purchased the pressure gage in an attempt to set the bypass valve accurately. I can't find any specification for a Ford 770 loader bypass. Dealer 'guessed' 2200 psi. Tractor bypass is specified as 2140 PSI. Does anyone know what pressure should be used or can suggest how I go about finding the proper bypass pressure for this loader? Thanks, Dean
 
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WELCOME TO TBN DEAN!!!!!!!!!!
am in the same boat as uam a real good mechanic but have never really dealt with hydraulics....where'd u git yer gauge..can u take a pic of it and put it on here???? and how much was it???? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

AGAIN WELCOME!!!!
TODD HALL from liddl ol maine!!!

here's one for u guys......DID U KNOW THAT MAINE HAS MORE OCEAN FRONTAGE THAN ANY OTHER STATE!!!
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</font><font color="blueclass=small">( DID U KNOW THAT MAINE HAS MORE OCEAN FRONTAGE THAN ANY OTHER STATE!! )</font>
Must be a trick to that as California is so much larger than Maine and has the Pacific Ocean bordering it's very long contour. Fill me in.
DeanH, not sure where you would find that info. I think you would be safe at 2200 or possibly even 2300 psi, but I would start at between 2140 and 2250. Should be a safe enough range to stay within without damaging anything. John
 
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Welcome Dean. TBN and the members are very helpful and good fun too.

I don't know if the PSI numbers are in the 770 loader manual or not, or if you have one, but I found this website where you seem to be able to find all kinds of manuals:

SSBTractor.com Tractor Manual Search

They also include this comment on the web page "Our Ford tractor manuals (except for the Intertec manuals) are reprints of the original parts, service and operators manuals offered for sale with the farm tractors themselves."

Hope it is helpful.
 
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No tricks or gimmicks her on my part !!!look it up!!!! ALL OF THE INLETS ..coves ...and the like and we here in maine have more coastal ocean front property than any othe state in the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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