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Too many laws, too many lawyers, hoops to jump through, even simply fishing is getting to be a pita.
we are a dying breed
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creekbend
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
In our area, there are vehicles parked everywhere on the sides of the roads, when Deer Season opens. The Caswell Game Lands are scattered throughout the County. All the hunters gather at the local Country Stores and talk stories and show their kills. A great majority are accompanied by their Sons and even Daughters and Wives. The same with Rabbit Season and Squirrel Season. Turkey Season brings out Hunters from several neighboring Counties.
In our area, there are vehicles parked everywhere on the sides of the roads, when Deer Season opens. The Caswell Game Lands are scattered throughout the County. All the hunters gather at the local Country Stores and talk stories and show their kills. A great majority are accompanied by their Sons and even Daughters and Wives. The same with Rabbit Season and Squirrel Season. Turkey Season brings out Hunters from several neighboring Counties.
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
Most hunting requires getting out of bed before noon. Fishing doesn't always result in the "instant gratification" kids now expect in every aspect of life. We spend a lot of tax money fighting obesity and other problems that are relatively new.
As parents we thought we were doing our kids a favor by making their lives easy. Pogo said "we have met the enemy and he is us" (or something like that).
On the plus side, it is less competition for us old geezers that still enjoy a day fishing whether we catch anything or not (an old saying said that God does not subtract from your time on earth any time spent fishing).
Most hunting requires getting out of bed before noon. Fishing doesn't always result in the "instant gratification" kids now expect in every aspect of life. We spend a lot of tax money fighting obesity and other problems that are relatively new.
As parents we thought we were doing our kids a favor by making their lives easy. Pogo said "we have met the enemy and he is us" (or something like that).
On the plus side, it is less competition for us old geezers that still enjoy a day fishing whether we catch anything or not (an old saying said that God does not subtract from your time on earth any time spent fishing).
300UGUY
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I think here in Michigan, deer hunting has become very expensive. Most hunting is on private land, and landowner's are charging $300+ for deer season. Plus all the stuff guys "need" for hunting. I hunted with a Marlin 336 in the north, a shotgun in lower Michigan. Now a friend has a $3000 tied upin a muzzleloader! Bird hunting has basically disappeared, the big farms have wiped out the old fencerows, and the herbacides and pesticides have wiped out the feedstock for pheasants. Fishing here can be iffy, the lakes still have a lot of polluntants that aren't good for you.
I think here in Michigan, deer hunting has become very expensive. Most hunting is on private land, and landowner's are charging $300+ for deer season. Plus all the stuff guys "need" for hunting. I hunted with a Marlin 336 in the north, a shotgun in lower Michigan. Now a friend has a $3000 tied upin a muzzleloader! Bird hunting has basically disappeared, the big farms have wiped out the old fencerows, and the herbacides and pesticides have wiped out the feedstock for pheasants. Fishing here can be iffy, the lakes still have a lot of polluntants that aren't good for you.
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
You were doing so well, until you said that. The Agricultural Farmer pays for the wildlife you see running around. The States just take advantage of that fact and charge us to participate in the harvest. I was just brush cutting waterways a couple days ago and noticed the two outside rows of corn around our fields are 80% gone.
You were doing so well, until you said that. The Agricultural Farmer pays for the wildlife you see running around. The States just take advantage of that fact and charge us to participate in the harvest. I was just brush cutting waterways a couple days ago and noticed the two outside rows of corn around our fields are 80% gone.
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25 years ago the family had a lot of problems with dirt bikes trashing the land...
Can't remember the last time I heard or saw a dirt bike.
Up the street a family has two teenagers... nice enough kids... some had lived on the same street and had NEVER seen them... they come home to homework and video games...
Kids really don't play outside or explore where I am... hardly anyone on the park trails under age 30.
Also noticed a big increase in game... I've got a 3 point buck that sleeps under an Oak in my backyard... doesn't even stir when I'm out there and as healthy as can be. Almost like a pet in demeanor.
Same for the wild turkeys... flocks just roam.
25 years ago the family had a lot of problems with dirt bikes trashing the land...
Can't remember the last time I heard or saw a dirt bike.
Up the street a family has two teenagers... nice enough kids... some had lived on the same street and had NEVER seen them... they come home to homework and video games...
Kids really don't play outside or explore where I am... hardly anyone on the park trails under age 30.
Also noticed a big increase in game... I've got a 3 point buck that sleeps under an Oak in my backyard... doesn't even stir when I'm out there and as healthy as can be. Almost like a pet in demeanor.
Same for the wild turkeys... flocks just roam.
allen6634
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i agree there is a company that is begging for welders where i live, i have 2 kids and if it doesn't have a keybord they don't care , i dread the next 40 years lol.
i agree there is a company that is begging for welders where i live, i have 2 kids and if it doesn't have a keybord they don't care , i dread the next 40 years lol.
dave1949
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A lot of people engage in outdoor sports and activities other than hunting and fishing. Since the 1960's things like rock climbing, mountain biking, hiking, bird watching, wildlife photography, snowmobiles, ATV's, para-sailing/hang gliding, snowboarding and alpine skiing have all become huge businesses.
People do get out, and spend a lot of money, just for different pursuits. It is a value judgement to say one's hunting trip is better than someone else's skiing trip.
If the same percentage of a now larger population pursued hunting and fishing as in earlier times, it would drive the participation costs very high. The supply of lands available for that is shrinking. From that perspective, the remaining avid hunters and fishermen ought not to look a gift horse in the mouth. :laughing:
Deciding who pays what for their outdoor recreation is the challenge. In most states, hunting and fishing carries too much of the financial burden of maintaining the wildlife that many others enjoy the use of.
Doing away with regulations would result in a return to the days when wildlife game was all but gone before regulations. For example, I think we would find bear carcasses here in Maine with their paws and bile glands removed because those are worth a lot in the black market trade. There would be no trout left in Maine lakes and rivers were it not for the state hatcheries restocking them every year. Who supports the hatchery and the cost of policing limits, seasons and baits, if fees and regulations are eliminated?
Even at the currently reduced hunting and fishing demand, the natural supply is over-used in many cases.
A lot of people engage in outdoor sports and activities other than hunting and fishing. Since the 1960's things like rock climbing, mountain biking, hiking, bird watching, wildlife photography, snowmobiles, ATV's, para-sailing/hang gliding, snowboarding and alpine skiing have all become huge businesses.
People do get out, and spend a lot of money, just for different pursuits. It is a value judgement to say one's hunting trip is better than someone else's skiing trip.
If the same percentage of a now larger population pursued hunting and fishing as in earlier times, it would drive the participation costs very high. The supply of lands available for that is shrinking. From that perspective, the remaining avid hunters and fishermen ought not to look a gift horse in the mouth. :laughing:
Deciding who pays what for their outdoor recreation is the challenge. In most states, hunting and fishing carries too much of the financial burden of maintaining the wildlife that many others enjoy the use of.
Doing away with regulations would result in a return to the days when wildlife game was all but gone before regulations. For example, I think we would find bear carcasses here in Maine with their paws and bile glands removed because those are worth a lot in the black market trade. There would be no trout left in Maine lakes and rivers were it not for the state hatcheries restocking them every year. Who supports the hatchery and the cost of policing limits, seasons and baits, if fees and regulations are eliminated?
Even at the currently reduced hunting and fishing demand, the natural supply is over-used in many cases.
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sam5570
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well i have read all the post so far and you know what, everyone has posted a true and important reason why we don't have the intrest of the kids. now how do we fix it ? other than cut the power off.
well i have read all the post so far and you know what, everyone has posted a true and important reason why we don't have the intrest of the kids. now how do we fix it ? other than cut the power off.
gwdixon
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>Ask yourself how the kids get the devices.
>Ask who turns on the TV to act as a babysitter.
>Ask who doesn't model expected behavior.
There are many more things to ask. The answer to all can be found in the mirror.
>Ask yourself how the kids get the devices.
>Ask who turns on the TV to act as a babysitter.
>Ask who doesn't model expected behavior.
There are many more things to ask. The answer to all can be found in the mirror.
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Parents have become Sam and as said previously the tv or video games become baby sitters. The new generation will have a hard time competing since they have no skills. The family as a unit is disappearing right before our eyes.
Parents have become Sam and as said previously the tv or video games become baby sitters. The new generation will have a hard time competing since they have no skills. The family as a unit is disappearing right before our eyes.
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sam5570
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
I have no idea why you would make that comment, my daughter and i have fished sense she aws 3 years old and she's in her late 30's now. what most of the post were saying is the kids don't want to go fishing or hunting, they can find a game that resembles it and don't have to leave the couch. you know the old saying you can led a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
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Yep, that was the way I grew up, and it actually applied to both hunting and fishing. However, when it got to costing more to go hunting than what I could buy the meat for, I quit hunting many years ago. I did keep on fishing, but now they've finally made that too expensive, too. The price of fishing licenses went so high, it used to be free for old folks, but not now (unless you were born before 1931), the boat launching ramps used to be free, but no longer, and even if you fish from the bank, they'll charge you admission to even get close to the water.
Yep, that was the way I grew up, and it actually applied to both hunting and fishing. However, when it got to costing more to go hunting than what I could buy the meat for, I quit hunting many years ago. I did keep on fishing, but now they've finally made that too expensive, too. The price of fishing licenses went so high, it used to be free for old folks, but not now (unless you were born before 1931), the boat launching ramps used to be free, but no longer, and even if you fish from the bank, they'll charge you admission to even get close to the water.
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My all time favorite thing to do as a kid was to take the old 35 hp outboard out on Lake Tahoe.
The ramp was free and for a couple of bucks I could fill the 6 gallon day cruiser tank.
Last time I went to Tahoe with a boat it cost $120 for the afternoon... not including fuel... just ramp, marina and inspection fees.
I inherited the old 35 Evinrude with so many great memories... can't use it anywhere we did as a child... two strokes are banned and have been for years.
My all time favorite thing to do as a kid was to take the old 35 hp outboard out on Lake Tahoe.
The ramp was free and for a couple of bucks I could fill the 6 gallon day cruiser tank.
Last time I went to Tahoe with a boat it cost $120 for the afternoon... not including fuel... just ramp, marina and inspection fees.
I inherited the old 35 Evinrude with so many great memories... can't use it anywhere we did as a child... two strokes are banned and have been for years.
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Yep, my Dad had a 35 hp Evinrude on a Texas Maid Falcon that I used on Lavon, Lewisville, and Texoma lakes with no fees to pay; just had to buy the gas. Dad later traded that rig for a Texas Maid Fiesta a 30 hp Evinrude; bigger boat, but slightly smaller engine.
Yep, my Dad had a 35 hp Evinrude on a Texas Maid Falcon that I used on Lavon, Lewisville, and Texoma lakes with no fees to pay; just had to buy the gas. Dad later traded that rig for a Texas Maid Fiesta a 30 hp Evinrude; bigger boat, but slightly smaller engine.
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Ultrarunner: only in California. I have a 2 stroke jetski I can run just fine here in Oregon.
Re: fishing licenses: I wanted to go fishing 2 days last month in the Marble Mtn Wilderness in Northern Cal, just over the border from us. The license was pretty darned expensive for an "out-of-stater". Same thing when we went salmon fishing in the ocean out of Eureka, CA, instead of Brookings, OR. More people might fish if it didn't cost so much.
Since this thread started out about kids not interested in fishing, my 6 y/o girl is dying to get a pink fishing pole so I can take her fishing. Last week, she even made herself a rudimentary pole from a stick, tied some string to it and fastened a "hook" out of wire to the end ("because fish like shiny things"). She made me ride bikes with her down to the creek so she could drop her hook in the water.... Precious.
Ultrarunner: only in California. I have a 2 stroke jetski I can run just fine here in Oregon.
Re: fishing licenses: I wanted to go fishing 2 days last month in the Marble Mtn Wilderness in Northern Cal, just over the border from us. The license was pretty darned expensive for an "out-of-stater". Same thing when we went salmon fishing in the ocean out of Eureka, CA, instead of Brookings, OR. More people might fish if it didn't cost so much.
Since this thread started out about kids not interested in fishing, my 6 y/o girl is dying to get a pink fishing pole so I can take her fishing. Last week, she even made herself a rudimentary pole from a stick, tied some string to it and fastened a "hook" out of wire to the end ("because fish like shiny things"). She made me ride bikes with her down to the creek so she could drop her hook in the water.... Precious.
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Started taking my 2.5 yr old daughter fishing this summer at the cottage. Canoeing as well. This winter the back yard rink goes in and she learns to skate. She will be 3 this week. She can learn to shoot in a few more years. She loves going with dad to the cottage, and helping at the farm doing horse chores. Sure wouldn't want her growing up in the "city".
Started taking my 2.5 yr old daughter fishing this summer at the cottage. Canoeing as well. This winter the back yard rink goes in and she learns to skate. She will be 3 this week. She can learn to shoot in a few more years. She loves going with dad to the cottage, and helping at the farm doing horse chores. Sure wouldn't want her growing up in the "city".
300UGUY
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I think you got it right - the culture has changed. I just hadn't thought of it. A lot of sports didn't exist 50 years ago. And if the fees and regs were done away with, it would only take a year or 2 to pretty much wipe out most wildlife.
I think you got it right - the culture has changed. I just hadn't thought of it. A lot of sports didn't exist 50 years ago. And if the fees and regs were done away with, it would only take a year or 2 to pretty much wipe out most wildlife.
