Warning About Dealers And Their Pricing

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What's your opinion? You think they're going back to that?
We'll top out around 8%.

The credit default swaps are signaling in a recession. The credit market dosen't lie.

High interest rates are not a huge concern. They are a price equalizer. Remember, affordability is the goal and if there are high prices with high financing, nothing will move. Prices will have to drop to equalize out affordability. It's been a while since I did the math but I think a $25K price drop in a house price is equal to a 1% increase in interest rates.

The problem will be if prices do not drop with raising interest rates. This represent a supply shock as there is still a high demand for low supply. We are kind of in this now and this is the worst of all scenarios.
 
   / Warning About Dealers And Their Pricing #272  
If the price of fuel goes as high as some say it will, we are in for a rough time.
I fully agree.The wife and I just did our weekly grocery run prices are getting nuts for food.2 slabs of pork ribs were $42 bucks. 🤪
 
   / Warning About Dealers And Their Pricing #273  
I fully agree.The wife and I just did our weekly grocery run prices are getting nuts for food.2 slabs of pork ribs were $42 bucks. 🤪
Kind of reminds of back when I was a smoker... have to go out on the front porch to discuss why.... 😂
 
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What I've seen unethical appraisers do is to pick high comps that aren't really comparable sales at all, but then apparently no one looks closely at the comps to see if they are really comparable sales until the loan defaults. Then the special assets recovery people look at the appraisal and see what the appraiser really did. And probably say nasty things under their breath about the loan officers and loan committees that let this happen.
I'm in the real estate business and I can vouch for what you're saying. Comparative Market Analysis is the smoke and mirrors of this business. If you don't know what you're looking at realtors and appraisers can hoodwink you so fast you won't know what hit you. It happened to me a while back but my gut told me what they were saying didn't make any sense. Sure enough, after a lot of research and closer inspection I was able to disprove everything they said. As somebody that's in this business, let me tell you, don't ever trust someone else's opinion about your property! Always look at the facts.
 
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Somebody just paid $67,000 for an old Ford Excursion with 100,000 miles on it. What happens when that person can't make the payments? Bank gets it back and gets whatever they get for it an at auction. If that happens to enough vehicles the house of cars falls apart.
Yep I saw that same story on my phone the other day. I can't ever remember a time when the automotive market was fetching these kind of prices. As I stated in a previous post, my 80 year old father said he's never seen such a thing before.
 
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There's a certain segment of the used vehicle market where buyers have no money and such lousy credit that all they care about is getting some lender to finance a car purchase. They apparently aren't swayed by the car being priced way above its value. They only want to get the car financed.

Once they get the car loan, the next step is for them to file chapter 13 to knock down their 20%+ subprime car loan interest rate to prime rate, say 4.25% and their monthly payment decreases as well. If the car lender doesn't object to them claiming prime rate in chapter 13, they get prime rate. If the lender objects, then they'll probably negotiate something like 5.25-5.75%. Then they have 5 years in chapter 13 to pay it off or if the car craps out or they wear it out, they walk off from it and don't complete their chapter 13 plan.

Then they go on the hunt for another car loan and repeat the process once they find another car lender.

A guy I worked with who used to manage one of these subprime lenders said the lenders make a lot of these loans hoping that overall, they will collect enough of the 20%+ per cent interest loans that they "out run their losses." His words.

The dealerships themselves aren't taking the risk. They price the car as high as they can and then sell the loan to a subprime lender without recourse meaning that the subprime lender will only look to the car buyer for payment. The subprime lenders are willing to take some losses on known bad risk customers in order to get the car loans that might actually pay out so they make money overall even though they know they have some bad loans that won't pay out.

So when you see a dealer advertising a bunch of vehicles with "WE FINANCE" and the only information is the estimated monthly payment, not the total price, not the mileage, not the condition, this is why.
 
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There's a certain segment of the used vehicle market where buyers have no money and such lousy credit that all they care about is getting some lender to finance a car purchase. They apparently aren't swayed by the car being priced way above its value. They only want to get the car financed.

Once they get the car loan, the next step is for them to file chapter 13 to knock down their 20%+ subprime car loan interest rate to prime rate, say 4.25% and their monthly payment decreases as well. If the car lender doesn't object to them claiming prime rate in chapter 13, they get prime rate. If the lender objects, then they'll probably negotiate something like 5.25-5.75%. Then they have 5 years in chapter 13 to pay it off or if the car craps out or they wear it out, they walk off from it and don't complete their chapter 13 plan.

Then they go on the hunt for another car loan and repeat the process once they find another car lender.

A guy I worked with who used to manage one of these subprime lenders said the lenders make a lot of these loans hoping that overall, they will collect enough of the 20%+ per cent interest loans that they "out run their losses." His words.

The dealerships themselves aren't taking the risk. They price the car as high as they can and then sell the loan to a subprime lender without recourse meaning that the subprime lender will only look to the car buyer for payment. The subprime lenders are willing to take some losses on known bad risk customers in order to get the car loans that might actually pay out so they make money overall even though they know they have some bad loans that won't pay out.

So when you see a dealer advertising a bunch of vehicles with "WE FINANCE" and the only information is the estimated monthly payment, not the total price, not the mileage, not the condition, this is why.
I know a guy who owned a used car dealership and he self financed. He was really in the finance business not the car business.
 
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I had a car dealer tell me there was more money made in the finance part than in the car part.

They don't like cash buyers because they can make more on financing.
 
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I had a car dealer tell me there was more money made in the finance part than in the car part.

They don't like cash buyers because they can make more on financing.
100% This is especially true in the low income bracket.
 

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