WALLENSTEIN WX310 wood splitter flow question

[gstlouis]

I am looking at a wood spitter for my kioti ck2510 which has a flow of Pump flow: 11.3 gpm [42.8 lpm]

This splitter has a Recommended Hydraulic Flow: 10 gpm (38 lpm), Average Splitter Cycle Time: 6.62 Seconds

since my tractor is higher flow, does that mean I could have an average cycle time lower than the splitter specs?

and it says Split Opening: 24" (61 cm). Does that mean that is how long I can fit a log of wood? cause I feel 2 feet isn't very wide...

I'm assuming 20 tons is more than enough to do any big knots etc?

thanks for any help!
Guy

splitter specs for convenience


WX310 HORIZONTAL TRACTOR
Split Force: 20 Ton
Recommended Hydraulic Flow: 10 gpm (38 lpm)
Split Opening: 24" (61 cm)
Orientation: Horizontal
Average Splitter Cycle Time: 6.62 Seconds *depends on flow from tractor
Full Cycle: 13.24 Seconds *depends on flow from tractor
Cylinder Diameter: 4" (10 cm)
Wedge Height: 9" (23 cm)
Total Weight: 215 lbs (98 kg)
Dimensions (LxWxH): 70" x 28" x 24" (178 cm x 72 cm x 61 cm)
Mounting System: Cat I, iMatch™ & Quick Hitch Compatible

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[WranglerX]

Most splitters unless very large industrial have a 24 inch throat meaning it will accept a 24 inch log... Not sure of you concerns of length of logs, when most consider fireplace size around 16 to 18 inches....

Higher GPM rate usually means faster cycle time...... Fast is not always better as you physically may not be able to keep up ....

20 ton is minimal, I have 22 ton standalone and I get some really knurly hard oak and that almost tells splitter it isn't going to happen, but usually does, EXPLOSIVELY!!!

Only negative is it can not go vertical for logs that are too big for you to lift into bed of splitter... Cant use tractor FEL to lift log into splitter because it's on other end of tractor....

 

[ericm979]

That 11.6 is llisted by Kioti as "total pump flow". Most if not all modern CUTS use two pumps. One for steering and possibly PTO clutch, and one for the loader, 3pt and aux valves. Usually on a machine this size the steering is around 4-4.5 gpm and the main pump is 7-8 gpm. So if Kioti has the usual separate steering and main pump, they're being deceptive when they only list "total pump flow" because you can't use them together like that.

Be prepared for the cycle time to be slower than what they list with 10 gpm.

2' is pretty wide when you're lifting a round that diameter. Or rather it's heavy. That's about the size where I noodle the rounds in half.

 

[gstlouis]

thanks a lot
its too bad about the flow but I'm sure all splitters will be like that with the flow I have to going to the remotes. So I'll have to live with that. at least I know this 20ton can handle the majority of hard wood I give it.

 

[ericm979]

At 2500 psi (a guess but that's the high end for most CUTS) and a 4" cylinder I calculate 16 tons. Wallenstein's ratings are less dishonest that a lot of splitter manufacturers.

My Oregon splitter's rated at 35 tons and assuming 3500 psi (I can't find a spec but splitters are around that) and a 4.5" cylinder it's 32 tons calculated. It usually loafs along in the low psi/high flow speed but when I split a hard fork it'll shift to high psi/low speed and slowly push the wedge through, cutting the wood fibers. It'll cut a split sideways. I think the cutoff between speeds is about 750 psi or about 6 tons and the large majority of work is done with that.

 

[WranglerX]

Calculator....

Hydraulic Cylinder Calculator

40,212 PUSH PSI divided by 2000 equals 20.121 tons

 

[ericm979]

Where'd the 3200 psi come from? 2500 psi or thereabouts is typical for CUTS.

 

[ning]

I don't doubt that the wx310 is an excellent piece of equipment, but you may want to reconsider the pro's and con's of the 3ph log splitter.

As I've seen it

Pro's of 3ph splitter - especially this one:

• High quality construction
• No engine

Con's of 3ph splitter:

• Attached to tractor
• Slow cycle times due to lower hydraulic psi & flow rates
• Expensive, probably in part to being a somewhat specialty item vs standalones which many are made

I was gung-ho on getting a 3ph splitter to go with my (then) new tractor, and eventually I picked up a used standalone ($600 including an almost-new Echo 590 chainsaw; I was ready to spend $600 on the splitter but it turned out to be a package deal!) because I couldn't justify the cost of a 3ph splitter for my usage (~2-3 cords/year) and also that I could use the tractor to move wood while my son uses the splitter (occasionally useful).

 

[WranglerX]

Where'd the 3200 psi come from? 2500 psi or thereabouts is typical for CUTS.

Hydraulic pump on stand alone splitter or pump on tractor (If capable of that pressure)... Only way you are going to get more tonnage with lower pressures is with larger diameter cylinder.... Graphic is for reference only actual values you have to work with will vary as to what is available to you...

And in case you need to know the pressure relief on my MF GC 1715 is set at 13,244 kPa (1920.88 psi)

So if I were to use the 1920 psi of my SCUT and a 4 inch diameter cylinder I could only achieve 24,127 pounds force or about 12 tons...

 

[WranglerX]

I don't doubt that the wx310 is an excellent piece of equipment, but you may want to reconsider the pro's and con's of the 3ph log splitter.

As I've seen it

Pro's of 3ph splitter - especially this one:

• High quality construction
• No engine

Con's of 3ph splitter:

• Attached to tractor
• Slow cycle times due to lower hydraulic psi & flow rates
• Expensive, probably in part to being a somewhat specialty item vs standalones which many are made

I was gung-ho on getting a 3ph splitter to go with my (then) new tractor, and eventually I picked up a used standalone ($600 including an almost-new Echo 590 chainsaw; I was ready to spend $600 on the splitter but it turned out to be a package deal!) because I couldn't justify the cost of a 3ph splitter for my usage (~2-3 cords/year) and also that I could use the tractor to move wood while my son uses the splitter (occasionally useful).

Kinda almost same thing, used 20 ton splitter for $200 with blown B&S motor, new B&S (or Honda) motor was 3 time what I could get Preadtor 6.5 hp from HF, bolted right up, got new hoses and wheels and tires... About $550 investment vs about $1400 for new 20 ton...

Initially I was going to add power beyond to my tractor, but there proved to be no kit available, and really low GPM (6-7) and very low hydraulic pressure sort of nixed the whole concept for 3PH splitter for me...

Sometimes reality trumps "concepts"....